vgmstream logo contest by hcs at 11:52 AM EDT on June 23, 2008
vgmstream has been in development for about half a year, and is coming along nicely. We'd like to do a beta release for promotional purposes soon, but while we have some of the best decoders in the field we don't have a logo! And as we know, the logo is the most important part of a successful project (well, after the name). So I propose:

A contest to design the vgmstream logo!

Before I list the rules, let me make clear that I welcome pretty much anything, and I want to see as many suggestions as possible. I just don't want to have to deal with legal crap, or crap submissions.

The rules:

1) Within the next 14 days (last day July 7th) post your suggested logo in this thread. It need not be finalized and polished, line drawings are OK, vivid descriptions might be marginally acceptable if they describe something sufficiently awesome. Note though that preference may be given to complete, usable logos. You don't have to put the image inline (with the [img] tag), you could just post a link to wherever you have it.

2) Submissions must be accompanied by a statement explicitly allowing their reproduction without restriction (though you may demand attribution if you like).

3) No limit on the number of submissions per person, joint submissions are OK but you'll have to decide among yourself how to split any (potentially awesome) prize.

4) Submissions should not be made of copied stuff, i.e. sprites from games and such. Freely drawn images of such things or custom sprites are fair game, though.

5) I'd like to see incorporated the concepts of A) video games B) music and possibly C) streams/rivers/etc (though don't struggle too much with that). Something that came up in early discussions was to avoid suggestions of lo-fi game sound (i.e. Space Invaders ships or such). As much as I love chiptunes, and though they are iconic and recognizable as video-game-related, vgmstream deals with prerendered streams, so such images may be misleading. This is more of a guideline than an actual rule, though, just letting you know ahead of time what my position is likely to be.

6) Please no intentionally stupid submissions. I'm sure they will be funny; let me laugh at them ahead of time to save you the trouble. Ha ha ha! And also LOL.

7) Winners will be selected by hcs (me). There may be more than one winner, there may be none if this turns out miserably. Though I only foresee using one logo as a primary (to avoid "diluting the brand") I see no reason not to reward sufficient awesomeness and maybe have a random spare image.

8) Winners will receive random items from my collection of random items, posted to wherever they happen to be (limited to Earth, sorry). You might get a choice if I can't decide. While I can't say what the value of the prizes will be just yet, they will be at least interesting.
And of course you win the right to have your logo on some awesome software.


So that's it, real prizes and fame for your good ideas. Since HCS Forum has a relatively small readership, please post about it elsewhere with a reference back to this thread (though please only somewhere appropriate, where people might be interested, and avoid seeming too spammy).
by -FDM64- at 12:02 PM EDT on June 24, 2008
Awesome.

Edit #1: A question, Is it ok if the image is nintendo oriented?

Edit #2: or perhaps, if you're familiar with highly advanced, you might know of how the retarded cat pictures show every so often when you tag a gsf. Maybe multiple images could be in order? (with a GCN, PS2, or XBOX logo showing every so often)

edited 12:15 PM EDT June 24, 2008

edited 1:54 PM EDT June 24, 2008
by hcs at 3:20 PM EDT on June 24, 2008
Yes.
by Mouser X at 3:33 PM EDT on June 24, 2008
Here's an idea. If enough logos/good enough logos show up, maybe the logo could change depending on the music type played. An Xbox/X360 logo for Xbox/X360 formats (there are some that are specific to console types), an NGC/Wii logo for NGC/Wii formats, an NDS logo for NDS formats, and PS2 logo for PS2 formats. Oh, and for formats that cross multiple consoles (ADX for ex.), a "Generic" (or maybe ADX specific?) logo could be made.

While that'd be spiffy, I'm doubting it will happen, because that'd require a few more logos, as well as the fact that it might require extra coding to get it to show the various logos in that fashion.

Now that I've had the idea though, maybe I'll put some effort into making multiple logos... Knowing me though, I'll be lucky to get 1 logo made, let alone 5. Mouser X over and out.
by Knurek at 4:33 PM EDT on June 24, 2008
@-FDM64-: As I've already told hcs, I'm all for that 'retarded cat picture' as VGMStream logo. :D
by Mouser X at 8:04 PM EDT on June 24, 2008
My first (only?) entry.

It needs a lot of work. The "VGM" needs to be thicker, to help it show up more. The green circle is meant to imply the X360, the blue line is to imply the Wii, and the "font" of the VGM is meant to imply the PS2. Mouser X over and out.

edited 10:08 PM EDT June 24, 2008
by nensondubois at 9:09 PM EDT on June 24, 2008
Mine It's a subliminal three letter representation of VGM.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/11/9/1574507/VGM%20out.jpg
It may not be my only entry.

edited 9:10 PM EDT June 24, 2008
by hcs at 9:30 PM EDT on June 24, 2008
Glad to see some activity! Here's my own entry:
An old in_cube logo proposal. The idea was to go for the iPod silhouette effect, but with the GC's light glowing.
by Syphor at 5:54 PM EDT on June 25, 2008
Lurker for some time, I won't make any great claims of quality, but here are two entries:

Entry One
Entry Two

Thoughts, maybe?
by Lunar at 6:33 PM EDT on June 25, 2008
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n204/Syphor_2006/Tech/VGM-3.png -- i like the way you're thinking, could play around with that idea more, perhaps make something more condensed/iconic.
by manakoAT at 6:41 PM EDT on June 25, 2008
i like it too, i wonder only, could the Notes looking like consoles? this would be cool! :o)
by hcs at 9:18 PM EDT on June 25, 2008
FYI, I'm withholding public judgment until the Day of Judgment (July 7). I will however say that I am quite pleased with the level of logocity thus far!
by Syphor at 11:10 PM EDT on June 25, 2008
Meh, I couldn't quite figure out how to shrink it all right now, so here's a few variations for icon size of something or other. They scale decently smaller. Not that happy with the stream one (#3). And yes, I know it's very Nintendo-themed. >.>

IconVer 1
IconVer 2
IconVer 3

Also, since it wasn't specified earlier and it's in the rules, all images I post here for this reason are free for use and reproduction. Credit is nice but not required. :P I'll post the source files if desired, too.
by hcs at 12:23 PM EDT on June 30, 2008
Hi all, welcome to the second week of the vgmstream logo contest! I encourage anyone who has an idea for a logo to post a sketch. Fabulous prizes could be yours, but not if you don't enter! As a reminder the deadline is the end of July 7th (anywhere on Earth).

Thanks to all who've posted so far!

edited 12:24 PM EDT June 30, 2008
hai by -FDM64- at 12:43 PM EDT on July 1, 2008
http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/4/7/1/f_vgmstreamm_fa0c30f.png

work in progress
by Zeldafreak84 at 1:42 AM EDT on July 5, 2008
Here is my submission. It is supposed to be a representation of the name with some musical notes in a Nintendo logo design with the Wii font.

HCS can do whatever he wants, its his file now. I do have one that is a bit higher res
by -FDM64- at 4:02 PM EDT on July 5, 2008
I can't think of anything else to do with my picture, so here's the *.xcf, *.png, and *.ico.

http://www.mediafire.com/?2gmxdvmwath

edited 4:42 PM EDT July 5, 2008
by DChronos at 7:38 PM EDT on July 5, 2008
I had an idea that was simple, looks great, and gets the point across. Wii font, PS2 color scheme, the halleyscomet software part is a working idea, I'm not sure about it yet. Its a modified gamecube font. The "S" is enlarged to make a sort of "stream" design, plus the Wii font itself is a nice streamlined font that works for giving the "feel" of this type of music. This gets me thinking of the game systems' stream format music.

Also, I am trying to come up with an icon to go behind the text to help along the game icon thing. Not sure what to make just yet. The initial idea was some gamecube/xbox360 fusion thing.

No reason not to img tag this since you're going to see it anyway.



As per rules, you're free to use this, blah blah, you get the idea. Only condition is if I come up with something better, could you change to it that? ^_^;; This is the general idea, though, I'll only be building onto it, not massively changing it.

If you got any suggestions, I'll take a look and see if they work.

EDIT:
Another version you might like better. I can't decide, both look great.



edited 8:04 PM EDT July 5, 2008
by hcs at 12:58 PM EDT on July 6, 2008
Well folks, it's coming down to the wire! Got some real nice entries, hope you can give them some more competition before we finish!
I'm accepting submissions until the end of July 7th (tomorrow!) and then we can all find out who won. I'm looking forward to finding out myself...
by nensondubois at 3:25 PM EDT on July 6, 2008
[img]http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/11/9/1574507/VGSTREAM%20Entry%202.png[/img]

Another yet entree.
by nensondubois at 3:26 PM EDT on July 6, 2008
Very small but very good.

[img]http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/11/9/1574507/VGSTREAM%20Gameboy.jpg[/img]
by DChronos at 4:46 PM EDT on July 6, 2008
Well, I worked on it a bit more, and this is kinda the idea I have in mind for the icon behind the text. Kinda goes along with being for winamp, though I'm still unsure of the metal texture. I'd like to find a better more cartoony kind of one (one you'd find in a game that doesn't look as super-realistic, if you get what I mean).



As for an individual icon, my idea right now would be this metal diamond with just the streaming S on it, possibly having the elongated parts run close to the edge, then bend to follow the edges in a diamond shape around the s.

I might work on it more later if I have some time, though I won't have any tomorrow as I have to work. If it wins, I'll be sure to work out all the details and stuff over the week or a few weeks. Want to make sure it's a damn nice logo/icon for a damn nice job done ripping this music format.
by nensondubois at 5:20 PM EDT on July 6, 2008
Could be worse. Like a bus hitting it.
by Syphor at 5:41 PM EDT on July 6, 2008
I have to admit, I really like DChronos' submissions. Having already strained my small level of artistic ability, I don't think I've got any further entries.
by valiant at 2:54 PM EDT on July 7, 2008
Not finalised, just a quick 70 minute outline of my idea.

Not useable, as the musical notes are stolen (don't have the time to create it myself at the moment).



Description:
- in the final version, the upmost line of the sheet music is a little thicker as it would actually be the cord of the controller (then of course coming out from the middle of the controller's upper side)
- sheet music should be the first six/seven notes from the Super Mario Bros. main theme ("Ground BGM"), probably the most recognisable VGM tune there is
- moreover, I'd like to incorporate pixels to have it more video game-like, for example use pixelated notes or something like that

Also, nensondubois's misspellings are hilarious...if they're meant to be.
by nensondubois at 4:15 PM EDT on July 7, 2008
I made them to be funny.

My real entree is.
[img]http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/11/9/1574507/VGMSTREAM%20Gameboy.jpg[/img]
by DChronos at 5:56 PM EDT on July 7, 2008
The metal look of the diamond icon isn't exactly what I have in mind for mine, but I do like the idea of a diamond shaped icon behind the text. I'd like to have something embossed on it like a music note, or headphones, and something relating to the game systems, maybe again, have one of them in it.

There was one other thing I had thought of using, and that was a CD as the icon, since most of the systems are cd systems. I'd have to see how it looks, or see how it might look combined with the diamond icon.

I'd be working on mine more right now, but thanks to 3 hours of sleep, I'm pretty wasted right now... if only there was a few more days. I might try to get one more concept up later before the day's over, but it isn't looking too good at the moment.

edited 5:58 PM EDT July 7, 2008
by anewuser at 7:18 PM EDT on July 7, 2008
DChronos

Very nice and very clean. I'm liking what you have already up, but I'd like to see what'd you come up with next.

Bring it!
by nensondubois at 9:11 PM EDT on July 7, 2008
Come on. It's so standard.
by DChronos at 9:30 PM EDT on July 7, 2008
Give me a bit more time, and I'll have better? ^_^; Wish I wasn't so damn tired right now. x_x

And to nensondubois, since you're so intent on insulting another's submissions, you broke rule 6 by intentionally submitting joke submissions as you admitted above:
"I made them to be funny.
My real entree is. (link)"

Not only that, but your design has nothing to do with streamed music from systems that use it (gameboy isn't streamed), and goes back to being in line with chiptunes, which was what was suggested not to do in rule 5.

Now, please don't insult others' submissions. Try making suggestions instead.

I have other ideas for mine, too. I have this awesome gold gradient I made that looks nice on the text, and also nice as turning the metal diamond into a gold plate. I might post them, but those were really tests from earlier.

EDIT: You know, I was thinking about a joint deal kinda thing, too. I got the text, but no icon, aside from the diamond "plate", might be neat to try to come up with something together.

edited 9:35 PM EDT July 7, 2008
by hcs at 12:36 AM EDT on July 8, 2008
Ok, by request, 23 hour extension. Note that it isn't 24 hours because I mistyped it but decided to keep it anyway. So 'till the end of July 8th (anywhere).

The time limit isn't really there to exclude anyone, anyway, it's just to provide a bit of urgency.
by AENIGMA at 6:13 PM EDT on July 8, 2008
Here's a quick logo.
by DChronos at 11:04 PM EDT on July 8, 2008
Well, I don't really have enough time to work out the details... mainly, the VGMStream text is what I'm trying to stick with, and work out the details later. Prime Blue did give me some ideas, though, like the music staff... I have an idea, but I don't got the time to really make it right now, unfortunately.

If I do get picked, I would like to work on something with the others to try to make something final, if possible.

For now, here's just some neat things I got just playing with some colors and a few other things, not anything final. The gold gradient font looks pretty awesome, imo, though the blue one seems to fit better somehow. I'll have to see how it turns out if I get help coming up with a symbol/icon to go with the words. Music notes are definately something that seems needed, I'm just not sure where to have them yet without an iconic figure.

example 1 (My favorite one as a just text logo)
example 2
example 3
example 4
example 5
example 6

I have another idea now, too, using a spectrum analyzer behind it all to represent the music aspect. I might try to get that out before time's up.

EDIT: Here's a sorta mockup of that idea.


edited 11:36 PM EDT July 8, 2008
by Syphor at 12:45 AM EDT on July 9, 2008
Wow. I think I like the all-gold one with controller in the diamond the best, with the spectrum one a close second. Personal opinion, of course! :P
by Mouser X at 1:53 AM EDT on July 9, 2008
Here's a crappy Windows Paint version of an "icon" based on DChronos' images. Obviously it's completely ugly, and very poor looking. However, hopefully it got the idea across. Give the diamond a "shaded" (I know there's a better term for this) color, and "mixed" color of the text, and it'd look better. Perhaps even add an "engraved" look to the text, to help it look better?



I would have done more work on this, but I ran out of time. I was gone all weekend, and didn't get back until very late on the 8th (due to transportation problems. One of the tires lost its tread. I'm just glad we didn't have a blow-out...). Tomorrow I will have a little time, but not much. In other words, while it would have been nice to come up with some more ideas, I doubt that even with more time I would have been able to produce much. Maybe, if I have the time tomorrow, I'll submit a "late" entry and see how it turns out. Don't hold your breath on that though, as I don't have any spectacular ideas right now.

Last, DChronos's logos are my personal favorites, in regards to "snazziness"/completeness. However, I still like my original idea. I just think it needs to be cleaned up and refined. Perhaps add some form of "streaming" or musical notes, or something to it... Anyway, as I don't have the skills to do that, it's unlikely that I'll put forth the effort (at this time) to give it the refinement it deserves. Nice work DChronos! Mouser X over and out.
by hcs at 8:19 AM EDT on July 9, 2008
Alright folks, contest is now officially closed to entries. Thanks to all who participated, it turned out wonderfully!

I'll have my decision in a few days.
by DChronos at 7:18 PM EDT on July 9, 2008
Heh, that diamond icon sounds like my kind of idea for an icon version. I have other ideas, but basically, I'd base the logo off my draft of making the s stream, using a streamlined kind of font and stuff. I got an idea I'd like to put together changing the s to a kind of brush stroke look, with the bottom end trailing into a music staff, and the top end converging to a point leading from a disk that's tilted kinda like this:
./ |
| /
It was suggested that using a disk might suggest more towards being cd music, but I think that, since almost all streamed formats are from disk type games, with the other stuff, I think people would get the idea that it's a game disk it's streaming from. Technically, even CDA could be called streaming. P:

But yeah, anyway... I'd still like to collab on the final idea with whoever wins. I was really reluctant to use that PS2 controller or any one thing from a system because it would seem to suggest it's for that system, when in reality, it's for a whole slew of systems. That's one of the reasons I had a hard time trying to come up with some kind of graphic that really hits the spot to show it's for game console music. The game disk is the best thing that works since the logo says vgm. Too bad I didn't have time to illustrate my last idea. Oh well.

edited 7:19 PM EDT July 9, 2008
by hcs at 9:44 PM EDT on July 24, 2008
Hey guys, sorry for neglecting this for so long. The winner is DChronos, his PS2-ish logo has captured my heart. We're probably going to make some revisions, so I don't have a final winning logo to show. DC decided that he'd rather have me send him his winnings via PayPal than send him random stuff in the mail. Ah well.
I appreciate everyone's participation, thank you very much! vgmstream will look slick as a result...
by Syphor at 7:51 PM EDT on July 25, 2008
Congratulations, DChronos! :) I'm looking forwards to seeing the final in use.
by DChronos at 6:03 PM EDT on July 30, 2008
Sorry it's taken so long for me to get around to this, too... I'm feeling better, but still tired and stressed from work thanks to our head pressman quitting at night and forcing us to take on half the night time duties while training 2 new guys at the same time, and it's damn near busy season with the county fair coming in a month. @~@

Well, anyway, I'm trying to think about what more to add to the main idea, but I'm running up a blank... especially when it comes to thinking of some kind of iconic thing to be put with the name text. But like I said before, I'd like to get input from everyone and to hear all your ideas and kinda collab on this and make something fitting with everyone that's willing to join in.

The main idea here is the idea of having a nice looking font with the streaming s design like I have a sample of here:


Though the font design doesn't have to be set in stone like it is, or the coloring, I'd like to look and see what you guys can come up with as well, and work with you guys and hcs to come up with the best logo design we can get. I'll take your ideas and work with them on my end as best I can, but it might take some time to get the final design with my schedule being hectic.

If need be, we can use that base design for the moment, though hcs wants me to change the white text to something else.

If you guys really like this design, though, toss me ideas at least for an icon. I'm not looking for something really that is specific to a certain console, since the stream format is across many systems. Ideas I have include a cd/dvd, a music note, things like that... something that would fit showing it's a vg music thing for the game systems that all use disks (hence the cd/dvd).

Well, toss me anything you got and I'll work with it and come up with some mockups!
by hcs at 11:00 PM EDT on July 30, 2008
I'd like a font with a horizontal line on the end of the G (whatever those things are called). And generally I'm pretty happy with the simple design, but yeah I'd like to see some different text below.
by DChronos at 9:21 PM EDT on July 31, 2008
I can manually add the line to the g with ease.
Line on the G by Elven Spellmaker at 11:23 PM EDT on July 31, 2008
I agree with HCS, a line would be nicer...

But why a PS2 pad, when the main developments in VGMstream have seemed to be Wii and GCN games?
by DChronos at 6:08 PM EDT on August 1, 2008
It was spur of the moment and I had like a day to think of something, and just threw that on there not intending to use it but to demonstrate having something on the icon thing. Those are all just examples, not solid ideas, and I even say I don't want to use something specific to a single console because it's a format used in many consoles.
Line on the G by Elven Spellmaker at 7:23 PM EDT on August 1, 2008
@DChronos: Oh ok =)
So would it be removed then..? Nothing console specific would be best. =)
by DChronos at 10:25 PM EDT on August 9, 2008
Well, hcs likes the look of this original idea, so I'm working on it for now. And I just said I wasn't going to have it like that, elven.



I'm working on what the text says, but like this idea of stating what it's about, and it looks good down there. Plus I'd like it to be serious sounding, as the whole look of the logo has that serious look to it. I changed the colors a bit more like how they actually are in the ps2 logo ON my ps2, and they look good better this way, too.

This is still not a finished idea, and I still want some kind of iconic thing with it. I am working on the disk idea because I like that, but have a slight change to what I showed to you, hcs.

Also, at first, the line on the G looked weird and wrong, but I guess after awhile, it seems to look OK now.

edited 10:27 PM EDT August 9, 2008
by hcs at 4:35 AM EDT on August 10, 2008
PRERECORDED LOOPING ACTION

But seriously:

STREAMING VIDEO GAME MUSIC PLAYER
by Elven Spellmaker at 10:21 PM EDT on August 24, 2008
It is (currently) a format hcs not a music player (which I'm well aware you know, hehe)... Unless you are thinking of releasing a seperate player to Winamp the logo is fine as is, isn't it?
by hcs at 11:19 PM EDT on August 24, 2008
Uh, what? vgmstream is arguably a player, and certainly not a format. Decoder would be more accurate, but I think player is fine.
by Elven Spellmaker at 6:30 AM EDT on August 25, 2008
O.K. it seems to be a sound format, I'm assuming that you have a header that is consistant ish...
Decoder is true, player isn't as it requires Winamp (the player) to run
by hcs at 10:12 AM EDT on August 25, 2008
O.K. it seems to be a sound format, I'm assuming that you have a header that is consistant ish...

We have over a hundred headers. What do you think we've been working on?

Decoder is true, player isn't as it requires Winamp (the player) to run

Fine, I'll concede this point. But note, Winamp only provides matchmaking between the input plugin and the output plugin. Literally, in_vgmstream directly calls out_whatever and Winamp stays the hell out of the way.
by javispedro at 2:47 PM EDT on August 25, 2008
Well, it's a full-fledged library that outputs raw pcm audio, not only a Winamp plugin.
by Elven Spellmaker at 2:58 PM EDT on August 25, 2008
I guessed, how do you get one plugin to recognise hundreds of headers, I'm assuming good programming hehe...

Well, it's a full-fledged library that outputs raw pcm audio, not only a Winamp plugin.

It outputs it not plays it, but yeah I see hcs's point.
by nensondubois at 5:14 PM EDT on August 25, 2008
Forget it. Sorry.

edited 5:17 PM EDT August 25, 2008
by wolupgm6 at 12:05 AM EDT on August 30, 2008
Are There Any Plans To Include A Player For The GC's .Seq Files?
by hcs at 12:52 AM EDT on August 30, 2008
nO tHERE aRE nOT bECAUSE, aS yOU cAN sEE fROM tHE eXTENSION, tHEY aRE .seqUENCES. vGMSTREAM dOES nOT pLAY sEQUENCES, fOR rEASONS eXPLAINED nO sMALL nUMBER oF tIMES.

edited 12:54 AM EDT August 30, 2008
by wolupgm6 at 12:53 AM EDT on August 30, 2008
Yeah, I Know. I Was Just Seeing If You Had Planned To Implement A SequenceReader Into VGMStream.
by hcs at 12:55 AM EDT on August 30, 2008
vgmstream does not, and will never, play sequences. That is beyond its intended domain.
by wolupgm6 at 12:56 AM EDT on August 30, 2008
Okay, Thanks. So I Don't Fill Up This Thread With Offtopic Discussion, I Shall Create Another Thread And Take This Elsewhere.
by DChronos at 7:14 PM EDT on September 11, 2008
Hey, hcs, I really have to apologize for not getting back here in so long... Work has been hell the past month, since our county fair was coming and we had shitloads more to print, not to mention I've been busy on a bunch of other stuff at home... If you want to, just cut off the white text and use the newest logo like that for now, and if I get around to finishing, I'll post and consult and see what you guys all think.

Oh, and just to clarify my choice of words I chose for the white text, I state sound because it plays more than just music and just sounds cooler than music anyway, and format meaning streaming music as a whole. Even though it's hundreds of extensions and formats, I think streamed could be called a kind of macro format in itself.

Anyway, I'll try to find some time to mess with it again this weekend, and again, I'm sorry I haven't even gotten around back to that yet. u_u;;


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