most accurate .gbs player? hardware .gbs player? by bucky at 5:24 AM EST on November 19, 2009
Hey there!

First off, I was wondering if anyone could weigh in on what are some of the most accurate .gbs players. Is there a consensus on this?

Without having the hardware to compare, I've been especially in the dark. For a while I was using in_gbs (Meridian GBS Player v0.3.1). Asides from freezing on some tracks, I've since been informed of the wave channel being practically half volume of where it should be (at least in some .gbs files), and I believe there's another issue with noise being too loud at higher pitches?

I've tried out the standalone version of nezplay (same thing as nezplug++?). Using a couple reference tracks that I've been able to come across, I can hear that it sounds like its much more accurate. Just thought I'd ask incase there's anything else out there I should be aware of.

Second question, is there a possibility of seeing a .gbs player for the game boy? Is there one already? Some sort of equivalent to playing nsfs off the NES powerpak would be ace. :)

edited 5:26 AM EST November 19, 2009

edited 6:16 AM EST November 19, 2009
by ugetab at 10:47 AM EST on November 19, 2009
Yeah. GBS2GB. I continue to use it for creating GBSs, so both the conversion app and the player code have been getting regular workouts and occasional updates.

http://www.angelfire.com/nc/ugetab/

I'd like to get the flash stuff to put these into a real GBA(the part I have) with a Flash cart and a voltage modifier(which I don't). If you ever manage to test the converted .GB files, tell me about the results.
by bucky at 1:20 PM EST on November 19, 2009
Very cool! I don't have the tools on hand, but have a couple friends who do. I'd love to sample .gbs rips from a sound-modded game boy.

I'll report back when I get to try this out, thanks ugetab!
by Splashman at 11:16 AM EST on November 20, 2009
There's a GBA to GB cart converter called GB Bridge. This one has done me a pretty good service for accurate line-in records of GB games in conjunction with the Cube's Gameboy Player.

However, I have found quite a couple of GBS files that just won't be converted into working GB roms, no matter what. Those games include SML2, Wario Land, TMNT Fall of the Foot Clan and maybe some more. Trying to run those always results in an error. I'd love to know what's wrong with those GBS files.
by ugetab at 6:50 PM EST on November 20, 2009
I think it could be the usage of SRAM(SML2 uses A468 for song init), but this is more of a technical issue than anything else.

Hard to test for something like that without some actual hardware to test it with, or other settings and stuff.

You may want to Goomba the set or something, so it would be in the GBA emulator. Not the ideal solution, but it should be passably decent like that.
by bucky at 2:16 AM EST on November 22, 2009
Didn't get to test it out on hardware yet, that should happen sometime this coming week, but I did get to test a couple conversions in three emulators (tgb dual, KiGB, and visualboyadvance) and it works great in each. I'm excited. :)



edited 2:38 AM EST November 22, 2009
by bucky at 5:24 AM EST on November 29, 2009
Hey, so this works perfectly on hardware so far. :D
I've converted a little over 20 gbs files without encountering any yet that don't work too. Hopefully the ones mentioned above are very much in the minority.

Thanks again! This is great. I've now got plenty of soundtracks to rip...
by ugetab at 10:37 AM EST on November 29, 2009
Thanks for the confirmation.

I've updated the ASM file to reflect that the new coding has been tested and works.
by JudgeIto at 4:15 AM EST on February 23, 2010
I'd like to get into this, and was wondering if someone could help me pin down a good rewritable cartridge to get.

I'm down to:
Nonfinite's BleepBloop cartridge
or the basic EMS USB cartridge.

I think that EMS cartridge and the 64M Smart Card from other websites are the same thing, but I'm not positive.

If all I want is the simple ability to transfer converted .gbs ROMs to a cart, I could probably skip the BleepBloop cart, save some money, and go with the EMS cartridge, right?

Anybody have any reliability stories or other anecdotes about these carts?

edited 4:16 AM EST February 23, 2010
by SmartOne at 2:41 PM EST on February 23, 2010
...I'm not positive.

Are you negative?
by JudgeIto at 6:10 PM EST on February 23, 2010
As in "100% positive", you smart ass.

EDIT: Smart ass pot roast.

EDIT EDIT: :P

edited 6:11 PM EST February 23, 2010

edited 8:51 PM EST February 23, 2010
by SmartOne at 7:42 PM EST on February 23, 2010
;)
by arbingordon at 10:04 PM EST on February 23, 2010
im glad im not HIV positive
by blargg at 1:59 PM EST on February 24, 2010
As far as I know, foo_gep is the most accurate GBS emulator. The sound portion supports lots of obscure quirks, based on fairly recent reverse-engineering (for example, try Duck Tales and compare with it on the original Game Boy). If anyone can point me to any music it plays wrong, I'm currently working on the emulator and can look into it.
by JudgeIto at 11:00 PM EST on February 24, 2010
Ah, they've changed the product page for the EMS cartridges; they are the GB Smart Cards.

edited 11:00 PM EST February 24, 2010
by agu fungus at 11:24 AM EST on February 25, 2010
Now that you're into it, does anyone know if there's still a device available to backup your own retail GB saves to your PC?
by bucky at 9:21 PM EDT on August 6, 2010
Judgelto, I recently grabbed myself the EMS USB cart from Nonfinite's shop. It's been reliable so far with converted gbs --> .gb files.

There are just a couple that haven't worked out of the dozens I've ran so far, but they also didn't work on the older serial-port-transfer gb cart, so it's not a flaw of the EMS cart. (a couple of the Turok soundtracks crash for me)

Ugetab, would you be interested in adding a start/stop feature to gbs2gb? If the start button was able to stop a track, and start it back over from the beginning when pressed again, that would be handy for a couple things. :)
by JudgeIto at 4:08 PM EDT on August 8, 2010
Wow, old topic. But yeah, I ordered a cartridge shortly after this discussion and I've been happy with it. It even came pre-loaded with a LSDJ ROM, but I think it needs to be activated somehow. I knew a few .gbs files wouldn't work with it without some tweaking, but luckily some people have already made those tweaks for me.

The only thing keeping me from making some truly great recordings is my sound card's exceptionally low (even at maximum) recording volume. :/

edited 4:14 PM EDT August 8, 2010
by Pugsy at 7:14 PM EDT on August 9, 2010
I'm sad/shocked to relay news that ugetab has passed away.


http://gshi.org/vb/threads/4262-ugetab-is-no-longer-with-us...

by Mouser X at 8:17 PM EDT on August 9, 2010
I think I'm safe in saying that's the worst news I've heard all year. Thanks for ruining my day (...j/k, sort of). He will be missed. Though, perhaps this would be better in its own thread. Mouser X over and out.
by mudlord at 8:23 PM EDT on August 9, 2010
Pugsy:

HOW THE FUCK could you post shit like this?

Thanks a lot also for ruining my week some more. I already got 150 bucks in debt thanks to Paypal and now this?????

by nensondubois at 8:34 PM EDT on August 9, 2010
There was one called "Boom Boy", but I can't find any relative information on that.

Here's some links leading to flash carts for the Game Boy.
http://www.gameboycarts.com/

Bung is another alternative
http://www.devrs.com/gb/files/faqs.html#BungDist
by bucky at 10:46 PM EDT on August 9, 2010
This is so sad. Thanks for sharing the news. I wish the best for his friends and family.

In some way I think I failed to thank him enough for all the help he's given me. He was an invaluable member of the community. I barely even knew him, for pete's sake (don't even know his real name), but I thought highly of him. He will be missed.
by nensondubois at 12:30 AM EDT on August 10, 2010
I didn't mean to disrespect ugetab with that last post (ignoring it, but I didn't see it until now. I'm sorry). All we can do is hope he is looking down at us and give condolences to his friends and family, at least it would be the respectable thing to do. Jesus Christ!
by Lunar at 2:15 PM EDT on August 10, 2010
that really does suck. very sorry to hear that, my condolences to his family and everyone who knew him. i only knew him through this site and didn't know much about him at all, though you only have to look around related emulation and ripped music sites to know how much of an asset he was to the entire scene.

worst news :/
by unknownfile at 7:44 PM EDT on August 10, 2010
wat
by bxaimc at 9:11 PM EDT on August 10, 2010
@mudlord:
wtf is your damn problem?
by mudlord at 9:53 PM EDT on August 10, 2010
My problem is that someone had to bring bad news when I already had bad shit happening.

Would you like it if people took a shit when your feeling shit, in your face?

Thought not >.>
by bxaimc at 10:18 PM EDT on August 10, 2010
Doesn't matter. Your shit isn't jack compared to this.
by arbingordon at 5:35 AM EDT on August 11, 2010
ugetab was one of the best hackers I've ever known of, shame the world has lost him.
I'm not even sure the phrase "A candle that burns twice as bright, burns half as long" applies to how capable his mind and hands were.

edited 5:39 AM EDT August 11, 2010
by holyice7 at 10:30 PM EDT on September 10, 2010
Right, well. That other news aside, would anyone have a tops suggestion for an NSF player as well?

NEZplug is to 'clicky' for my tastes and NotSoFatso has just been giving me a ton of trouble.
We're all out of luck and hope hahahaha by anewuser at 11:33 PM EDT on September 10, 2010
We're all out of luck and hope hahahaha

Really.
by nothingtosay at 11:33 PM EDT on September 10, 2010
I don't know if you played around with NotSoFatso's configuration settings, but the default does suck. The invert option needs to be turned off for the square and triangle waves (I like it on the noise channel though) and the volume and pan adjusted for what sounds good on your setup. I know some of the ways that it does things, like launching that little window, are hassles, but I get good enough sound out of it, I'm willing to suffer.
by holyice7 at 7:23 PM EDT on September 16, 2010
I just want to, simply, get the tracks I'm recording to sound as close to the source material as is audibly possible. Of course, I never encountered the source material I want to get the music from, due to the whole VRC6 chip not working in an NES thing.

So as a result, the multitude of options in NotSoFatso are a little perplexing, if not daunting.
by nensondubois at 11:11 PM EDT on September 16, 2010
I have a Famicom, and I can record the games that use VRC6 VRC7, N106, MMC5, and some games that use FDS audio. I don't have Gimmick yet so I can't record FME-7 (Sunsoft5b).

edited 1:20 AM EDT September 17, 2010
by JILost at 4:06 AM EDT on September 17, 2010
I had a friend perform a mod on my NES to handle special chips (or at least the VRC6) and recorded the entire Akumajo Densetsu sound test from it. Upon direct comparison with those recordings, my listening tests showed your "clicky" NEZplug to sound the least distinguishable from the real thing of all the players I tried. (NEZplug, NotSoFatso, festalon 0.4, VirtuaNSF, GME, Audio Overload, probably others.) NotSoFatso might have sounded more like it if I'd bothered to adjust the channel volumes and panning positions, but I just didn't have the patience and I'd already learned by then that NEZplug sounded just like it "straight out of the box", so I didn't see why I should bother.

Also, if all you want is to hear Akumajo Densetsu on the real deal, I still have my recordings and I'm sure the site with the NES mod details is still up if you want to do it yourself. Otherwise, NEZplug is the way to go.
by nothingtosay at 4:57 AM EDT on September 17, 2010
Yeah, NotSoFatso isn't supposed to sound like the real thing. Obviously it has stereo mixing and volume controls, and then there's extra filtering and stuff. Don't use it if your desire is authenticity. I think it improves upon the real thing, so I'm okay with that, but we have different goals.
by JudgeIto at 1:28 AM EDT on September 19, 2010
There's something to be said for calculable, definable accuracy and NEZplug, but I really do like NotSoFatso for all its variable settings.

The NES was from a time of analog inputs and RF switches. In 1988, Castlevania on your 14" Zenith might have sounded way different than it did on your neighbor's 20" Trinitron. With NotSoFatso you can recreate the NES sound as YOU remember it, considering you trust your own memories. It's good for a personalized sound.

But yeah, if you're after accuracy, try to get past NEZplug's "clickyness"
by SmartOne at 2:26 PM EDT on September 19, 2010
GEP's right up there with NEZplug++. I think.
by Lunar at 7:20 AM EDT on September 20, 2010
foo_gep is very good (if it's identical to GEP/the same thing) but there's some things it doesn't do... for instance it doesn't emulate DPCM delta counter volume attenuation of the triangle and noise channels. in most cases this is good from the perspective of listening but not from the perspective of accuracy. would be nice as an option.

both of them have issues with the mixing levels of expansion chips that VirtuaNSF copes better with. not huge issues like NSFplug though :B.
by SmartOne at 10:17 PM EDT on September 21, 2010
...this is good from the perspective of listening but not from the perspective of accuracy.

So you can't hear it, anyway? Then how do you know it's not emulated in GEP?

I prefer the VRC6 emulation in GEP. Seems more balanced.
by Lunar at 5:34 AM EDT on September 23, 2010
you can hear it. what i mean is, it might be desirable not having it emulated because it means the triangle and noise channels don't get somewhat muffled when dpcm is used.

this is how I know it isn't emulated in GEP: 1, 2. trivol in GEP will be a steady tone. on other players, the volume of the triangle will audibly decrease. as for trivol2, in GEP you'll just hear a bunch of clicks getting faster, while in other players you'll hear the volume going up and down constantly.
by SmartOne at 8:38 PM EDT on September 26, 2010
The examples are pretty scratchy in NEZplug++.
by Elven Spellmaker at 9:43 PM EDT on September 26, 2010
In NEZplug++ the first one has decreasing volume (unless my ears decieve me) and the second one is clicks.

So one passes and one fails?
by Lunar at 5:54 AM EDT on September 27, 2010
nope, both pass. you'll hear clicks in any player, but in nezplug and most other players you'll also hear the volume fading/jumping respectively. GEP is the only player I can think of that fails and you'll only hear the clicks and not the volume attenuation.

understand?

EDIT: turns out nsften, nosefart and nintendulator have the same problem for anyone who uses those, though those are pretty bad in plenty of other ways as well. i've tried every other winamp plugin and standalone nsf player I can remember.

edited 9:10 AM EDT September 27, 2010
by anewuser at 10:56 AM EDT on September 27, 2010
ooops, .gbs

thought it was nsf :D lawl

edited 12:08 PM EDT September 27, 2010


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