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by SmartOne at 7:51 PM EST on February 25, 2009
I e-mailed Gordon Goodwin to call out the nasty digital clipping that's present on all his CDs. He actually replied.
by hcs at 9:56 PM EST on February 25, 2009
Did he send you the missing peaks of the signal?
by SmartOne at 1:15 PM EST on February 26, 2009
No. :(

"Thanks for your letter and compliments. We get comments once in a while like yours, and I have learned that audiophile types and other recording engineers have strong opinions about how records should sound. It seems that is very rare for an engineer to compliment another engineer! But I can tell you that our recording and mastering is done by people of the highest level of experience, and I trust them to put our music in the context best suited for it. Our records are recorded by Tommy Vicari and are mastered by Bernie Grundman (who did the first 3) and Doug Sax (who did our most recent). These are accomplished practitioners in their field. And understand, we are not making Glen Miller or Count Basie records - this music is meant to have more punch and energy to it. I do not know what kind of system you are using, but I think it is a stretch to say there is distortion on these records. Unless you have gotten a defective disc somehow, which could happen, I guess.
Anyway, I am sorry you are disappointed. Two different aesthetics going on here, I think.

Gordon Goodwin"



edited 1:23 PM EST February 26, 2009
by hcs at 2:31 PM EST on February 27, 2009
I was recently interviewed for a podcast, an operation of IBM PR. Hear me say "heh"! Marvel at my inability to sound certain of anything! Count the number of "uh"s!
by Chupperson Weird at 1:47 AM EST on March 3, 2009
That description sounds like me talking 100% of the time.
by hcs at 5:50 AM EST on March 3, 2009
What a fucking joke, my cheapo epson printer uses color ink even when not printing in color. This wouldn't be quite so terrible if not for the fact that it won't operate with empty or missing color cartridges.
I've been using the thing for only black printing. There is ink left in the black cartridge (it indicates this). But because it has been pissing away the color ink I have to replace all the color cartridges!?!?
At least it was incredibly cheap, and I got two usable scanners for the price of one shitty printer (they sent me another rather than try to troubleshoot the refurbs, turned out it was out of ink after about 20 pages). But DAMN that's irritating.

edited 5:54 AM EST March 3, 2009

Also fruity, pasting http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/support/supDetail.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@1428002739.1236076988@@@@&BV_EngineID=cceeadegimkhjemcgemcfjgdfljdfon.0&cookies=no&infoType=FAQ&oid=89902&prodoid=63069503&foid=94927&cat=30961&subcat=30963 into pidgin crashes it.

edited 5:55 AM EST March 3, 2009
by fridgey at 11:01 AM EST on March 3, 2009
Should keep a watch for deals on printers, oftentimes the cheap ones can be had for less than it costs to replace the ink, sadly enough :/
fun times in MML by unknownfile at 8:57 AM EST on March 4, 2009
Snatcher this time around. Guess which track this is!

FM0 @P3 @K0 t208 @@46 v240 o3 c8 c6 c6 c8 g8 c8 o2 a+8 a+6 a+6 a+8 f8 a+8
FM1 @P3 @K0 t208 @@44 v233 o3 c1 v218 a+32 v233 g1 v218 c32 v233 f1 v218 g32 v233 g1 v218 f32 v233 a+1 v218 g32 v233 g1 v218 a+32 v233
FM1 f1 v218 g32 v233 g1 v218 f32 v233 f1 v218 g32 v233 g1 v218 f32 v233 a+1 v218 g32 v233 o4 c1 v218 o3 a+32 v233 o4 f1 v218 c32 v233 e1 v218 f32 v233 c1 v218 e32 v233 o3 a+1 v218 o4 c32 v233 o4 c1 v218
FM1 o3 a+32 v233 g1 v218 o4 c32 v233 o3 f1 v218 g32 v233 g1 v218 f32 v233 a+1 v218 g32 v233 g1 v218 a+32 v233 f1 v218 g32 v233 g1 v218 f32 v233 f1 v218 g32 v233 g1 v218 f32 v233 a+1 v218 g32 v233
FM1 o4 c1 v218 o3 a+32 v233 o4 f1 v218 c32 v233 e1 v218 f32 v233 c1 v218 e32 v233 o3 a+1 v218 o4 c32
FM2 @P3 @K0 t208 @@32 v239 o5 g8 o6 c8 r8 c8 r6 o5 g8 a8 a+8 a8 g8 f8 e8 d8 c8 o4 a+8 o5 c3 o4 g8 a8 a+8 f8 g8 a+8 o5 c8 d+8 f8 a+8
PSG0 @K1 t208 a+8 a+8 c8 c8 a8 c8 c8 a+8 a+8 a+8 c8 c8 a8 c8 c8 a+8
PSG1 @K0 t208 c5 a+0 c32 v251 o4 r6 c8 r8 r8 c8 r8 r8 c8 r8 r8 c8 r8 r8 o3 a+8 o4 c8
PSG2 @K0 t208 c5 a+0 c32 v251
PSG2 o3 r6 g8 r8 r8 g8 r8 r8 g8 r8 r8 g8 r8 r8 f8 g8
FM3 @P3 @K0 t208 @@32 v229
FM4 @P2 @K0 t208 @@36 v233 [o2 r4 c4 ]3 r4 o5 c4
FM5 @P1 @K0 t208 @@36 v233 [o3 r4 c4 ]3 r4 o4 c4
by Lunar at 3:25 PM EST on March 4, 2009
hcs my printer is exactly the same way, fucking jews own the inkjet market i swear.
by SmartOne at 10:22 PM EST on March 4, 2009
Just remembering a restaurant with an arcade cabinet playing what looked like a generic 3D shooting game. I mashed a bunch of the buttons together during the demo and Windows something or other centered on a black screen flashed briefly. Heh.
by wolupgm6 at 3:17 AM EST on March 6, 2009
I like chicken.
by unknownfile at 12:05 PM EST on March 6, 2009
I abused my school's bandwidth today to re-up the Lagrange Point MP3s, they're up in the rips directory over here.

One of these days I'm going to try doing a SNSF rip, but right now I need to make HW suck less.
by hcs at 1:55 PM EST on March 6, 2009
I like chicken.
I eat more chicken any man ever seen
by wolupgm6 at 10:56 PM EST on March 6, 2009
I eat more chicken any man ever seen
Then I must be invisible.
by SmartOne at 11:45 PM EST on March 7, 2009
Implemented algorithms in Java that convert infix expressions to postfix and then evaluate the postfix strings, utilizing THE STACK. Yay Data Structures class, and yay Java.
by hcs at 4:06 AM EDT on March 8, 2009
My bologna has a first name
It's recursive descent
by wolupgm6 at 12:44 AM EDT on March 13, 2009
My bologna has a first name
It's UNKNOWNFILE
by unknownfile at 11:35 AM EDT on March 13, 2009
who's that person you tell of

is that an acronym
by hcs at 12:27 PM EDT on March 13, 2009
Until North Korean Nukes Obliterate Western Nations' Freedom, I'll Live Excellently

edited 2:12 PM EDT March 13, 2009
by SmartOne at 10:33 PM EDT on March 13, 2009
Tried playing Deus Ex. Not that great. Tried cheating, but even that was frustrating. Cheating should never be frustrating. I stopped. Alexander Brandon's soundtrack is pretty mediocre, surprisingly.
by -FDM64- at 2:08 AM EDT on March 14, 2009
in retrospect, hcs needs to spend his time better. (imo)
by SmartOne at 12:19 AM EDT on March 21, 2009
I can't stand ignorant consumers. Examples: the Bose crowd, the iPod crowd (occasionally forgivable,) the television crowd, the iTunes everyone, etc.

I was trying to give advice about buying headphones to people I know, but they insist on blindly believing Bose makes "the best products." Then they proceed to insult me for thinking otherwise and trying to help. Very discouraging.
by unknownfile at 1:50 AM EDT on March 21, 2009
western digital, however, makes the best hard drives

2 seagates have gone splat on me in the past

yesterday i installed a 1000gb caviar because my porn-- er, music storing capabilities are reaching their limits, so good times there
by SmartOne at 12:34 AM EDT on March 23, 2009
No matter how many times I've done it, Final Fantasy VII PC is unbelievably annoying to get running in XP with the high resolution 1280x1024 patch and PSF music patch.

Once it's done, it's the definitive experience, except for lesser quality movies and movie sound/music than in the original Playstation version. Game sounds are also lower quality, mere recordings.

If only Final Fantasy VII for PS3...
php is the best programming language ever by unknownfile at 9:41 AM EDT on March 23, 2009
Catchable fatal error: Argument 1 passed to Quadratic::__construct() must be an instance of integer, integer given
by wolupgm6 at 10:11 PM EDT on April 3, 2009
Just a note for anyone who is thinking of doing this, do NOT, I repeat, do NOT run with spoons. I broke my wrist after dropping and slipping on the spoon and now its really hard to type.

Just a heads up guys, they're plotting against us.
by SmartOne at 1:24 AM EDT on April 4, 2009
Wow, tracking down Ys music is a pain in the butt. This is just for one game, too!

Falcom originally released Ys I & II Eternal with 44.1 kHz WAVs. There's a soundtrack for that release that fades out instead of cutting off abruptly (for looping.)

Later Falcom realized that the music in the Ys I portion wasn't arranged very well. They released a "Limited Edition" Ys I & II Complete which is exactly the same as the above except for newly arranged, superior music for the Ys I portion!... Except 22.05 kHz WAVs! WHY???

There's no CD-quality version of that music.
There's an Ys I & Ys II Eternal - Unpublished Music album that has music that's different still.

I'm torrenting the older version of Ys Eternal now for the music because I can't find a working torrent of the OST. A couple seeders and 1.65 GB. Hope it finishes.
by SmartOne at 10:19 PM EDT on April 5, 2009
Scratch what I said about no existing CD-quality version.

Ys Complete contains the redone new Ys I music, 44.1 kHz WAV. Confusing, eh? I just downloaded it.

I suppose there were multiple versions of varying quality that had different versions of the music as well.

Stupid Falcom. Sweet music, though.
by Mouser X at 6:15 PM EDT on April 7, 2009
I've been extremely busy with homework, work (I get paid at least), and about twice every other week (often less), Spore. Tomorrow I have a very very big assignment due. Sadly, it didn't occur to until last week that I probably should have worked on this in increments. Now I have to type up the entire thing for my class tomorrow. Not fun.

What is fun is that I bought a cheapo $10 ocarina. So far, I've taught myself how to play Jingle Bells, the ABCs, and Twinkle Twinkle Little Star (yes, I realize that those last 2 are the same thing...). It only has 10 holes (one for the mouth, one for the sound, 2 on the bottom, and 6 on top), so it doesn't have much of a range. I'm hoping I can teach myself some Zelda stuff, but I'm inclined to think that the range just isn't enough. That won't stop me from trying though (but homework will:( ).

Just thought I'd mention all the "fun" I've been having while I've disappeared. Mouser X over and out.
by Elven Spellmaker at 7:19 PM EDT on April 7, 2009
I play the ocarina, and getting better all the time, to quote a post a few pages back:

Original Post







I am spending about £415 ($597) on my next ocarina order from Focalink.

I'll then have a triple which will give me the max range that any ocarina company has ever made.

Obviously I have learnt some zelda songs, but a 8 hole ocarina might not be able to play all zelda songs, but it might be able to play cut down versions of some. 8 holes should give at least 8 diatonic notes, assuming it is tuned well and that it has 8 diatonic notes and not tuned in half steps (Not that I know an Ocarina like that - thats not to say that Ocarinas have to be diatonic) All of my Ocarinas (Only 3 right now =/) are fully chromatic. My Alto C is A4-F6, My Soprano C is A5-F7, and my Double Alto C is A4-C7.

Zeldas Lullaby is imposible on an 8 hole though, unless you only want to do the beginning 3 notes like you play on OoT.

edited 7:25 PM EDT April 7, 2009

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by Mouser X at 4:50 AM EDT on April 8, 2009
Maybe I'm just missing something obvious here, but since you have more experience with ocarina's than I do (I wish I had money to buy a decent one...), can you explain to me how to use the various songs on this site? Specifically, Ballad of the Windfish, and Chrono Trigger/Cross? I'm assuming the pictures are supposed to indicate how you hold the ocarina, but as near as I can tell, I get the same notes regardless of which holes I have covered (only the amount being covered makes a difference). If this is not normal behavior, I won't be surprised. As I said, it was a cheapo $10 one. I'm pretty sure it's hand made (it's clay), and possibly from some Indian Reservation (the people selling it had that look to them).

Still though, even with the limitations my ocarina has, it's fun to play with (though of course, a more capable ocarina would be significantly more fun). I'd at least like to attempt to learn some fun songs on it (I've been working on Tetris "A" music, but it's quite difficult for me at this time. I'm also pretty sure I'm off-key). Thanks for any help/suggestions you might have.

[EDIT] Heh... It looks like those songs might be composed specifically for their versions of ocarina's that they sell. D'oh. Nonetheless, it'd be nice to make an attempt at using those. Too bad I really don't know much about playing the ocarina (essentially all I know I taught myself in a few hours. "Cover holes, blow, sound comes out. Cover more/fewer holes, and pitch changes. Nifty!"). Mouser X over.

edited 4:57 AM EDT April 8, 2009
by Elven Spellmaker at 6:35 AM EDT on April 8, 2009
Hi Mouser, there are 4 types of ocarina, 3 of which are good and the other one isn't:

1.) Transverse or Sweet Potato (Like mine). These generally have linear fingering.
2.) English Pendants or Pendants, these have fingering combinations which have usually between 8 and 10 notes.
3.) Inlines generally have linear fingering similar to the transverse ocarinas, but these are held like a recorder.

and

4.) Peruvian Ocarinas, these are not tuned well, generally cheap, usually have pretty art on the top of them.

About being "out" of key, as long as the song is in a key and the right notes are played in that key, it doesn't matter, its called transposition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DbSBYlMsr8

About buying ocarinas, below are some makers:

Beware of STL, Docjazz seems to love them, although "their" ocarinas are not the best. They are a reseller that sells for high prices. Shame I have 3 of theirs. =/

(Good/Excellent Quality) Focalink: www.focalink.com.tw/product_en.php
(Good Quality) Maparam: www.maparam.kr/index.html?modea=eng
(Good Quality) Charlie Hind: www.hindocarina.com
(Average/Good Quality) Songbird Ocairna: songbirdocarina.com
(Resellers, average quality) STLOcarinas: www.stlocarina.com

Some YouTubers you should watch, Docjazz4 - Docjazz5, Kissing88 and Ubizmo.

About songbirds tabs, I don't use tabs and I wouldn't recommend them, I would learn sheet music if you seriously want to play the ocarina. Also playing by ear is good too. ;-)
Sheet music allows for playing on any ocarina. For example those tabs only work on 5 holed pendants. Tabs also don't show how long a note should be held or any of the dynamics of the note.

I suppose the advantage to tabs is it makes transpositions easier, i.e. if you had a pendant in the key of C Major and played the Chrono Cross it would be in key and if you played it on a G Major pendant it would still be in key, but in another key, maybe not the original key.

I hope thats not too much information, and I hope I havn't confuzzled you. Cya around Mouser.
by Mouser X at 7:18 AM EDT on April 8, 2009
Ah... I most definitely have the 4th type. As I said, this is no surprise (rather expected actually). I bought it because it was $10 (cheap!), and I figured "For $10, I can think of it as a 'demo' of what an actual ocarina might be like." For $10, I'm reasonably happy with it. I just wish it had 1-2 more notes! If it did, I'd be happy enough that I wouldn't be concerned with getting a better one. At least, not anytime soon. Now that I've had a chance to play with it a bit, I'm very disappointed that I can't afford a better one (that has enough notes to play, say, the Saria's Song (lost woods), or the FF6 theme song, though Ballad of the Windfish (LA) is by far the one I wish I could play the most).

Thanks for the heads up on places to buy ocarinas from. I'll give them a look when I actually have some money. I've been eying some of the ocarinas at STL Ocarina for quite awhile now. If I get a "real" ocarina, I *really* don't want to pay more than $50 (I might go higher, but there'd have to be very good reason), and I'd like it to be a Zelda one (looking around, I suppose that will have to be negotiable). So far, I've only seen those on STL Ocarina, and Songbird Ocarina. It's good to know there's other options (hopefully cheaper), but if I can't get a Zelda one, I'm not terribly interested any time soon (though, since I don't have money anyway, I guess that doesn't amount to much). I'll keep fiddling with the cheapo one I've got right now. Right now, playing by ear is about all I have.

I was in choir for 5 years, so I know what music looks like, and I can tell you the names of the notes, but I can't really read music very well. To me it's "I hold my mouth/throat like this to make that note, and the next one is 3 notes lower, and then 4 notes higher than that." It's why I liked the idea of the tabs. I don't want to have to worry about reading music/transposing if I can avoid it. Mouser X over and out.

edited 7:48 AM EDT April 8, 2009
by unknownfile at 9:40 AM EDT on April 8, 2009
yesterday i learned that custom cpu hacking is not a very pleasant experience

god dammit konami
by Elven Spellmaker at 9:55 AM EDT on April 8, 2009
One thing I must say is STL's Ocarinas (WPN and TNG) are not the highest quality but they are ok. Especially with the Alto Cs (Which is what I would recommend first) they have airy high notes. Some of the airyness can be rmeoved using a technique called the acute bend and by better breathing techniques

If I must tell you ones to avoid from STL its their Zelda Replica series... (And yes, that is not a triforce on them, its just a triangle)

WPN, STLs main maker, have a known problem with making subholes too small. They for some unknown reason when designing their Replica series, decided on even smaller subholes, which means the last two notes are way out.

Another thing is that its better to start on a 12 hole and then progress to a double or triple.
It will work better that way, as doubles can be quite difficult to get the chamber switch right. Although obviously that require more money.

Ballad of the Windfish is one of my favourites to play. David (Docjazz) has done a video which you may or may not have seen. I learnt that one by ear, its quite simple, and requires a double.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnTnhmwwUYs&fmt=18

I have also learnt the Chrono Cross theme by ear, and again Davids done a video of that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IqQZrWkex8&fmt=22


Just avoid the Replica series from STL as I said... The subholes are too small...
by Mouser X at 11:22 AM EDT on April 8, 2009
I saw the Windfish one almost as soon as I got home with my new ocarina (I did a search for Ballad of the Windfish sheet music, and the site I came across hosts MIDIs, MP3s, and sheet music. They had that video embeded on their site for Ballad of the Windfish. I downloaded it as soon as it finished playing). The CC one I haven't seen. It's also quite impressive.

As per your warning, I took a look at the Songbird Ocarina site. Although their ocarina's don't come with a Zelda score book, they do have a wider range of notes. At least, reading their descriptions they say the cheaper ones ($40) have 14 notes (as opposed to STL which only has 13), and the more expenseive (#50, $60) one has 17 notes. Their OoT ocarina ($100) has 21 notes (and 12 holes, as opposed to the 4 holes + 1 or 2 thumb holes of the cheaper ones). I might buy from there. Though, considering the price, it's unlikely that I'll be getting a 12 hole from Songbird Ocarina.

Yah, I was whistling Ballad of the Windfish, and I realized the full range of that song is ridiculous (compared to the range of songs I normally whistle). Now I realize why I've never been able to get it quite right when whistling. I started out too high. To be able to do the whole thing, and remain on-key, I have to start at almost the lowest note I can whistle. That song apparently encompasses almost the entire range of my ability to whistle (it might be 1 or 2 notes short).

In other words, I won't be doing that one anytime soon. :( It costs too much for a double ocarina (I'd rather get a Wii). Thanks again for your advice. I'll keep it in mind (though, I won't be able to buy anything soon anyway...). To repeat - the 12 hole is good to learn on, but it's from STL Ocarina (the one I can afford anyway, I assume you're referring to this one). I could also try the 4(+2) hole from Songbird Ocarina which might get me better range (more notes), but it's $50 (or $60 if I want the deeper one). Honestly, for a difference of $5 (that's what it looks like at least), I'll probably go for the Songbird Ocarina when I can afford it (unless you have reasons to decide otherwise). Thanks again. Mouser X over and out
by Elven Spellmaker at 1:17 PM EDT on April 8, 2009
The way both David and I play Ballad of the Windfish, i.e. starting on a D is transposed anyway from the original to fit on a double Alto C.

The ocarina I was talking about is in the key of C, and for some strange reason STL calls it a tenor. Its more commonly known (i.e. on other sites) as an Alto C.

The songbird 12-hole is weird, in the fact that its in the odd key of A. I don't own it and so cannot give a good answer to it. (I really need to expand my collection) However it is quite quiet, which is a plus if you

There are two fingering styles for transverse 12 holes, both arguably better than the other one.

XXXX--o
-o---XXXX

That is the fingering of the WPN and TNG ocarinas. ^

XXXX-oo
-----XXXX

That is the fingering of the Songbird 12 hole and Maparam ocarinas. ^

The o are subholes and the X are normal holes and the dashes (-) are just spacers.

STL Alto (Tenor) C Ocarina

The Alto one STL sells is in the key of G, which means for some songs more transposition.

So I would say if you want a good beginner ocarina, the one I link to above will be ok. Its my first one and is offered in 3 colours. The high notes are airy, and its tone changes with temperature changing the airyness.

Something you will notice with Ocarinas, when you get a properly tuned ones, is there are two types.

Type A ocarinas require more breath pressure on the high notes than the low ones.
Type B ocarinas require similar breath pressure on the high notes as the low ones.

Below is a link to a few samples by me. =)

3 samples of the Alto C, bear in mind my mic is a £6 cheap thing. Also bear in mind I knocked these out in the space of about 3 minutes, so its not my best playing. =)

Diatonic Notes Alto (Tenor) C.mp3
Clock Town Theme and Market Theme.mp3
Saria's Song (First Part - Alto [Tenor] C).mp3

This last sample is of a Soprano C ocarina, I love this one, its basically the same as the Alto C (Tenor C), but it is an ocatave higher. For this one bear in mind that I had to repair it after a breakage, and so the sound is nowhere near as clear anymore. =(

Saria's Song (First Part - Soprano C).mp3


The Soprano C is not only higher than the Alto (Tenor) C but louder, which might be a problem for some people. The Soprano C doesnt have the problem with airy notes like the Tenor does.

STL Soprano C Ocarina

I'm not the best ocarina player in the world so I hope they sound ok.

Having said everything up there ^, I would recommend for your first ocarina the 12 hole Alto C (Tenor) I linked above. ^

edited 1:20 PM EDT April 8, 2009
by Elven Spellmaker at 1:27 PM EDT on April 8, 2009
Oh and taken directly from the videos I have the music to both Ballad of the Windfish and the Scars of Time.

Davids link to the BotW MP3 isn't anywhere near as good as his actual video I seem to remember.

Ballad of the Windfish
Scars of Time - Chrono Cross

For information BotW taken using &fmt=18 on the end of the url and Scars of Time with &fmt=22, to ensure maximum quality (i.e. the video quality).
by Knurek at 3:06 PM EDT on April 8, 2009
Fuck yeah!! After about a year(!) of mostly waiting for parts, I have a fully working CM-64 and CM-300 setup.

Both were widely used in early PC games (DOS era) and japanese PCs (both PC-98 and X68000 could work with them, with shitload of games having MIDI enhanced scores).

I predict mass Hoot usage from now on. :)

edited 3:07 PM EDT April 8, 2009
by SmartOne at 7:35 PM EDT on April 8, 2009
If only there was a good MT-32 emulator... :(
by Lunar at 11:48 AM EDT on April 9, 2009
i know a guy with an MT-32, and another guy with an SC-55. myself, i've got an MU100 \o/
by nensondubois at 6:58 PM EDT on April 13, 2009
Yesterday I learned how to set up a proxy server.

Fuck Ebay.
by SmartOne at 7:27 PM EDT on April 13, 2009
Distant Worlds
music from
FINAL FANTASY

http://www.ffdistantworlds.com/index.php?option=com_eventlist&view=details&id=1:Minneapolis&Itemid=62

I was there, but I didn't have enough cash on me for the $30 program that looked awesome! :(
The sound guy made the concert too loud (distortion,) unfortunately.
I also attended the Play! Symphony at its opening concert in Chicago back in 2005. Great experiences. I've seen Nobuo Uematsu in person twice, Yasunori Mitsuda, Yuzo Koshiro, etc.


Yesterday was spent trying to figure out why my computer randomly crashed and is prompting for a new BIOS flash. The Windows installation won't boot and reports something corrupted in the SYSTEM folder, which suggests Windows corrupted itself AGAIN. Why does this happen?
by Elven Spellmaker at 8:23 PM EDT on April 13, 2009
Because programs fuck around with windows files they shouldn't do...

Technically programs should not install themselves near Windows... But they insist on doing so.

That or you have your P.C. too near an unshielded (basically all of 'em) subwoofer, and its erasing parts of your drive due to powerful magnetism.

Or it could be somthing totally random...
by mudlord at 11:06 PM EDT on April 13, 2009
Guess I better also explain what I have been stuffing around with:

* Reverse engineering (researching attacks on targets with MD5/SHA1 based hashes are phun!)
* My GME Winamp plugin (SmartOne, did a rewrite for the audio buffer code. Tested up to a buffer length of 8000ms with no issues. Is that enough? XD). Considering doing a proper file dialog this time and that DSP voice toggle like what Lunar wants. Still, not even thinking about RSN or subclassing.
* Pondering what sort of emu to do next.
* in_gsf & foo_gsf (duh!)
by SmartOne at 11:30 PM EDT on April 13, 2009
Elven, I highly doubt magnetism surgically corrupted a file in the SYSTEM folder. My decently sized Klipsch subwoofer does sit about five feet from my computer.

Probably something totally random, but totally random issues happen to me all the time. Doesn't help that I have to mess with stupid OEM-ed BIOS files.

Mudlord, great! "Proper file dialog" = track names for SPCs? :D Did you enable the more accurate DSP that I think you had mentioned?

Is there any menial labor that I could perform on in_gsf? :P Haven't really had time to look at it. (As if I would know what to do.)

edited 11:38 PM EDT April 13, 2009
by mudlord at 1:16 AM EDT on April 14, 2009
@SmartOne

Yes. I am using the more accurate DSP, which passes all of blargg's 200 validation SPC test ROMs, and is still 100% cycle exact. Using MSVC9 also.

and I thought track names were working already. Just a better dialog would be nice. Disch's plugin has a really nice GUI design I rather like. Might see about doing something similar for multitrack files (GBS/HES/NSF/whatever).
by SmartOne at 1:55 PM EDT on April 14, 2009
I was talking about the "snes_spc player 0.1"
in_spc.dll

Sounds like you're modifying your multiformat GME player, then. Cool.
by mudlord at 9:16 PM EDT on April 14, 2009
Yes. my multiformat GME player now uses the exact SPC emulation code as from that DLL. So you don't need that anymore.

So the quality is exactly the same. And it allows for easy tag reading rather than relying on custom code which is bound to cause trouble.

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edited 9:17 PM EDT April 14, 2009
by Mouser X at 1:30 AM EDT on April 19, 2009
[RANT] Fun and happiness! The hard drive (on this PC, which isn't mine) which all the programs were installed on died! I'm currently using some version of Mozilla (not Firefox) because, other than IE, it was the only browser that still worked (if there's spelling errors, it's because Mozilla doesn't have auto-spell check). Winamp (not my installation, but it did have a few of my more used plugins), Firefox, video stuff, games, it's all gone!

The really annoying part is that I lost all my tab history I had in Firefox. :( Also annooying is clicking on a xSF file, and having nothing happen... "Huh? Why isn't Winamp opening? ... Oh yah... :( " So, not only is my PC offline (and has been since August last year. :( ), but now this one seems to be dieing as well. Lucky me.[/RANT]

So I've been busy with homework. And will be until very late next week (Saturday), or the week after (I have finals still). Anyone doing anything fun lately (well, excluding getting XMA working, which I'm sure is "fun." But there's already a thread for that)? I won't (read: shouldn't) be. Mouser X over and out.
by SmartOne at 2:30 AM EDT on April 19, 2009
I like Opera.



Admire the efficient use of window space!

edited 2:42 AM EDT April 19, 2009
by SmartOne at 2:31 AM EDT on April 20, 2009
Natural Correspondence Algorithm for converting a linear list into a binary tree.

Input: (A(B(E(KL)F)C(G)D(H(M)IJ)))

Preorder traversal: ABEKLFCGDHMIJ
Inorder traversal: KELBAFGCMHDIJ

At least the Inorder is wrong. Dying right now sounds appealing.
by mudlord at 7:59 PM EDT on April 20, 2009
SmartOne: have phun
http://www.sendspace.com/file/8gf4ki
by SmartOne at 10:49 PM EDT on April 20, 2009
Awesome! The 44100 Hz sample rate for SPCs makes them sound more "present" than 32000 Hz in the old plugin. I did a comparison. ;) Or maybe it's the slighly more accurate everything? Resampling is done after decoding? If so, what's the purpose? Would it be better to leave the native rate alone (or have a sample rate option. :D )

So this is the bleeding edge of SPC playback. With metadata support, no less. It sounds great! Haven't tried any other formats yet.

I'm in the greetz! Thank yaz! :D



edited 10:57 PM EDT April 20, 2009
by Mouser X at 11:30 PM EDT on April 20, 2009
Hey! Nice plugin! Some suggestions though. In the configuration box, it'd be nice to be able to change the default play length. While 3 minutes is what I'd use anyway, I'd still like to be able to modify it. Also, I like how NEZplug++ skips to the next track. That is, when you use the keyboard shortcuts, it goes to the next subsong (Ex: "b" goes to next subsong, "z" goes to previous, etc.), but when pushing the "next" or "previous" buttons on Winamp's main window, it goes to the next song in the playlist. Perhaps that could be configurable? I know some people might not like that method (for a long time I found NotSoFatSo's method acceptable).

The last thing I would suggest is in regards to tags. I really like that your plugin handles NSFe files ([EDIT] but it doesn't seem to pay attention to track length very well...) (which is of course because GME supports NSFe), but it'd be nice if when pushing ALT+3, you could alter the tags. For those formats which don't support tagging, perhaps you could "standardize" the M3U tagging method.

That is, when pushing ALT+3, the user can fill any of the data fields that box has. For those fields which are already filled out by the file (GBS and NSF for example), it is greyed out. However, the user can still change this by clicking on it, and entering in something new. This will not alter the original file, it will just put in a new entry into the M3U list. Each field corresponds to a playlist type. For example:

Track Name = %title%
Track Artist = %artist%
Track Length = %length%
Fade Length = %fade%
Game System = %system%
Game = %game% (or %album%, depending on your taste)
Copyright = %copyright%
Dumper = %dumper%
Comment = %comment%
Tagged By = %tagger%
<And any other field I forgot, which I'm sure there's some I forgot about>

(I only listed the "tagged by" field because I've seen it requested in other formats)

Then, in the configuration box (CTRL+P, Input plugins > in_mgme > configure), the user can specify which of these fields to use, and how to arrange them. For example:

%game%: %artist% - %title%

This would display as "The Legend of Zelda: Koji Kondo - Title" for the first track, and in the M3U would look like:

Zelda.nsf::NSF,0,|The Legend of Zelda|: |Koji Kondo| - Title,0:1:14,,0:0:5

(The "|" are being used as seperaters to designate the different fields. I'm sure a better seperator could be used, but that's the one I came up with that is less likely to already be in use.)

Then the user could go on to the next track, and fill in the fields as appropriate.

I've already loaded up some of these M3U lists (Tetris to be exact), so I realize that in_mgme doesn't support them (I would have been surprised if it had). As such, you'd have to add code to support this. I was just thinking that, so far, the plugin looks very promising (it will *very* likely replace NotSoFatSo on my PC. The biggest thing I'd be missing is the ability to modify/create the internal NSFe tags/playlists). With a few additions, it could replace a large majority of my current plugins. Being able to parse/create M3U playlist tags would be a plus.

Awesome work nonetheless. Thanks for the plugin. I'll certainly be using here and there. If there are any updates, I look forward to them. Oh, and if I wasn't clear, or if you have questions, I'll try to answer them. I'm pretty sure that my proposed method (as seen above) doesn't fit very well with the currently created M3U playlist tags, so that's something that would have to be considered if this method were to be used. On that note, I would think Knurek might have something to say (he prefers the M3U tags). Mouser X over and out.

edited 11:39 PM EDT April 20, 2009
by mudlord at 12:18 AM EDT on April 21, 2009
@SmartOne

a) The SPC emulation used is the "accurate" emulation, not blargg's "fast" cycle accurate approach. The sound should be outputted in 32Khz, and no up-resampling should occur. The Gaussian table is used for interpolation, zero plans for cubic or sinc. And yes, its nice outputting at the native sample rate, with native interpolation, with cycle accuracy. But resampling shouldn't be a issue since we use blargg's FIR resampler :P

And yes, this should be the most accurate Winamp SPC emulation plugin there is.
b) Sample rates above 48000hz are pointless because it uses band limited synthesis for other formats (NSF/GBS/HES/etc).

@Mouser X: Some things you described in your post, I am against adding in. Otherwise, I would have added in your suggestions about using Winamp buttons to go through tracks, or using keyboard hotkeys.

Other stuff than archiving or subclassing is fine. Last time I seen, GME does have a native M3U reader class. And yes I know the NSF stuff needs some work.

As for other stuff, I will take it as it comes. There is still loads to do anyway.






edited 12:19 AM EDT April 21, 2009
by Mouser X at 1:05 AM EDT on April 21, 2009
More configuration options could help here then. Like I said, I've gotten used to NotSoFatSo's track selection method (which is what your current method appears to be based on). The biggest problem with the method you've implemented here is that it's very large, and "steals" precedence from Winamp. In other words, with the ALT+3 box open (the only method I can see for skipping subsongs currently), I can't do anything with Winamp's playlist (the "Main" (previous, play, pause, stop, next) buttons seem to work). For me, this is a pretty big issue.

As for the method I mentioned (the one that NEZplug++ uses), maybe you could implement it as an optional method? I'm not sure why you'd be against adding that method of control (please inform me). In regards to my usage of Winamp, the NEZplug subsong skipping method would be very useful. When I have Winamp running, it's running in the background. I have a nifty plugin that "hooks" into the application that's currently in the foreground. It adds "previous, play, pause, stop, next" buttons to the title bar of said applications. When using those buttons, I can control Winamp freely without having to bring it to the foreground. I assume that for those people who use Winamp's Global Hotkeys plugin, the effect/usage would be the same. With NotSoFatSo's method of subsong skipping (what yours appears to be based on), pushing "next" skips to the next song in the playlist. While I am used to that effect (I've been using NotSoFatSo for years), it'd be nice to have the option to control it in different ways.

I don't mean to downplay what you've done. I really appreciate it (NotSoFatSo hasn't been updated in ages, and needs some fixes. UKNOWNFILE's VRC7 modifications help here), and I'm already familiar with that method of subsong selection. But after using NEZplug for awhile (I'm not on my PC here, and I wanted to install the fewest plugins I could), I can see how it would benefit my usage style quite a bit.

I guess what I'm saying is "Please reconsider." Since it's you doing the work here, I won't complain about your final decision. But I am interested to know what you're against, and why (and, in that same thread, why you'd be against adding it as an optional method). If it has to do with the level of code complexity, I can understand that problem. Perhaps, since NEZplug is open source (as is NEZplug++), maybe you could simply copy the code directly from that plugin? Just a thought, and I have no idea how feasible that is (there could be licensing issues, among other things).

Thanks again for the plugin, and the reply. Mouser X over and out.

edited 1:24 AM EDT April 21, 2009
by mudlord at 1:59 AM EDT on April 21, 2009
The way how NEZPlug does it is a hack, and a ugly one at that. Same with that usage of the Winamp buttons.

I really am against making 2 seperate plugins for XMPlay and Winamp, thats the issue. If there is a magical way to do what you ask without all the hackery, I would love to hear it. Otherwise, I'm sorry but all the code hacks for something like that does not sound like my idea of fun. foo_gep works around this issue entirely by having subsong support directly inside the foobar2000 core player. Whereas with Winamp, it doesnt natively.


As for the GUI, that shouldn't be a problem. In fact, I am hoping a rewrite of it to be like NotSoFatso at some stage, since I actually like how its implemented.

edited 2:02 AM EDT April 21, 2009

edited 2:04 AM EDT April 21, 2009
by Mouser X at 2:04 AM EDT on April 21, 2009
Ah. Those are both valid concerns. (interesting note: the plugin I use which "hooks" into other applications is frequently called hacky, and for good reason. That doesn't stop me from using it though) Thanks for clarifying that. I'll be quiet (for) now.

(I'm trying to think up ideas, but none are forthcoming. If I do get any ideas, I might speak up again. But for now, you've given me what I asked for (in regards to your reasons, which are sound))

I tried playing some VGZ files, and they don't work. Extracting them (I used 7zip) and adding .vgm on the end works though. For kicks and giggles, I simply renamed a VGZ to VGM (no extraction), and it crashed Winamp. I realize this is still very much a work in progress, but is VGZ support likely to happen "soon"? Just curious.

Also, when I have my prebuffer really high (CTRL+P > output > out_wave/out_ds > buffering) it cuts the song off early (I noticed this on SPCs. I'm not sure about other formats). I'm not a programmer, but my understanding is that the reason for this is due to the next song in the playlist being loaded. When it's loaded, the plugin isn't multithreaded properly, so the currently playing track is disregarded, so that the next one can load. I know that 64th Note fixed this (I'm pretty sure it used to have this problem), and I've never noticed this problem with NEZplug. I'm pretty sure that DrO, and perhaps HCS, could help out here (DrO (he's done a lot of proffesional coding for Winamp) stops by in #usf occasionally, and HCS is always around).

I realize this is the part where SmartOne (and others) say "Use XMplay!" I'm looking for a proper fix. This computer is terrible for CPU (it's got a 450 mhz CPU), and having an extended buffer makes a big difference in how well a song plays (other formats generally, not NSF/GBS/SPC/etc., but I don't want to change my buffer every time I want to listen to a different format). So, I'm pointing out this problem in the hopes that it can be fixed (instead of glossed over with a new program). Mouser X over and out.

edited 3:54 AM EDT April 21, 2009
tl;dr by unknownfile at 7:33 AM EDT on April 21, 2009
by Mouser X at 8:04 AM EDT on April 21, 2009
That was actually my intention. I knew that if I kept it too short, you might read it. So I intentionally found ways to expand my 3 useful sentances into 4 or 5 long paragraphs. This way, I was able to sneak in some secrets that no one will *ever* find, because they'll never read the whole thing.

Look! I did it again! :D Mouser X over and out.
by JILost at 10:21 AM EDT on April 21, 2009
@Mouser X: The irony of your logic is that making your posts so lengthy, despite being meant to turn some away and keep your "secrets", actually attracts the attention of the few other chronic over-explainers like me. I KNOW YOUR DARK SECRETS. Mwa ha ha.

Actually, although many would probably disagree with me (see: lengthy posts), I typically find your posts pretty informative and accurate. I typically end up not having to post to correct/add something because you already have. Good stuff.

....And now I've apparently made THIS post overly lengthy by over-explaining. Ahh well, at least I don't have to worry about anyone other than you reading it, right?
by SmartOne at 1:35 PM EDT on April 21, 2009
Mouser X, you really can't go wrong with the forum version of XMPlay + Sterling XP skin. Trust me. It does everything (that's not bloat) and better.
by unknownfile at 4:48 PM EDT on April 21, 2009
Oh, it isn't bloated. That's cool.

The question is, does it work?
by JFD62780 at 5:29 PM EDT on April 21, 2009
Sorry, SmartOne, but XMPlay's Cubic interpolation for MOD files just ain't enough to satisfy my audiophiliac needs. Tell those dudes to add a multitap FIR filter; then and only then, would it really be "smoother than a baby's arse"! :P
by Knurek at 5:36 PM EDT on April 21, 2009
@unknownfile: Well, surely it doesn't work as well as SMSE2k, right?

@JFD62780: Uhh, what cubic interpolation? You sure you're talking about the same player? XMPlay has had none/linear/sinc (8 point spline IIRC, does sound lovely with chiptunes) one for at least few years.

Also it has winamp DSP plugin support, didn't need to use any but I guess there's one with FIR filter...

edited 5:53 PM EDT April 21, 2009
by mudlord at 7:53 PM EDT on April 21, 2009
Mouser X, can you please voice your concerns in the MGME thread? (or do a copy-pasta there?) I'm sure HCS would appreciate it. Sorry to sound rude, but I don't wanna be a bother on these forums. The last time I was a bother, I got banned from the ZSNES boards, so I don't want that to happen.

As for the crashes, works here. And yes, VGZ has issues. My recommendation? Use a archive plugin or use XMPlay with its plugins.

For the sample buffer issues....again, I did my best to fix those. I really see it as idiotic to use sample buffer lengths as large as 9000ms......
by hcs at 9:58 PM EDT on April 21, 2009
fwiw I've never banned anyone from this forum (well besides an automated spammer or two). This thread is not topical, so it really doesn't matter what's written here, but if you want a serious coherent discussion it'd be best to have it in its own thread. That way it can be found more easily later.
So I agree with you :)
by JFD62780 at 2:39 AM EDT on April 22, 2009
@Knurek: *checks version* ...oops, forgot to update. Nevermind, no further complaints. :)

Still, there are a few MOD formats not covered by XMPlay that I just happened to have a few of, such as Composer 669 (.669), Farandole Composer (.FAR), UltraTracker (.ULT). That's why I've been using Winamp more often. :)

Plus it's a complete PITA to start a playlist over again just because! :P
by Knurek at 5:25 AM EDT on April 22, 2009
@JFD62780: You are aware that XMPlay supports winamp input plugins, right?

And that you can use this: http://xmp.sourceforge.net/ to play just about any tracker format not supported natively by XMPlay (how good they are handled is another thing, but surely not worse than winamp).

And, uhh, that it loads m3u playlists just fine?
by mudlord at 7:57 PM EDT on April 22, 2009
@JFD62780: I'm sorry, but mikmod is utter shite. Something based on DUMB would make a better module plugin for Winamp.....
people on youtube are stupid, vol. 2 by unknownfile at 9:59 PM EDT on April 22, 2009
Subject:    brick
Date:    Apr 22, 2009
Message:    
do u no how do unbrick a ds light plz find out how if u do i love u no homo plzQ!!!

From: UNKNOWNFILE
To: Nbadude12345
Subject: Re: brick

Message:

this process consists of several highly complex steps

you will need the following to perform it:

1) a triwing screwdriver
2) a heat gun that can heat up to 500 degrees C
3) a soldering iron (15 watts)
4) a flathead screwdriver for getting stuff off the board

use your triwing screwdriver to open the unit. note that doing this voids the warranty.

next, open up the unit and look around inside for a small chip on the board, usually stamped with
"NTR-CPU-01" with an ARM logo on it; if you can't find it, it's likely on the other side of the
board or hidden underneath slot-1 and you might need to use your soldering iron to get at it.

now using your heat gun heat up the chip while GENTLY lifting it up. this can be done using your
flathead screwdriver.

now shove the chip up your ass. this is preferably done fresh off the board while the thing is
still hot. note that this might cause unpleasant burning sensations; if it isn't burning you
you aren't doing it right. this should serve two purposes: to break your DS even further, and
to get you to stop asking stupid questions.

now clean off the chip and use the heatgun to get the thing back on the board. you're done!

hope this was of help.
by Hotcakes at 11:06 PM EDT on April 22, 2009
That's the direct opposite of un'brick'ing.
by unknownfile at 11:10 PM EDT on April 22, 2009
not only did he send that message, but he also friended me and subscribed

i dont get what it is with people on youtube. fucking web 2.0
by snakemeat at 8:35 AM EDT on April 23, 2009
i love u no homo plzQ!!!

But he offered his love no homo
by Mouser X at 11:02 PM EDT on April 30, 2009
So I'm thinking about getting an ocarina (finally). I was looking through stlocarina.com, and I saw this and this. Both of those contain this, which I was linked to earlier. What I'm asking is, is it worth the extra expense for the book(s) they come with (which would be the better deal?)? I'm planning on purchasing the Zelda Song book(s) as well, so I figure saving money where I can would be a good idea. I didn't see Elven Spellmaker in #usf, which is why I'm asking here. Mouser X over.

edited 12:41 AM EDT May 1, 2009
by Elven Spellmaker at 1:26 PM EDT on May 1, 2009
As we have discussed on #usf there is no need to say I guess. =Þ

Instead I shall post the order sent out on Friday to me that arrived on Monday!

Speedy Delivery!

6 hole "Sword" Pendant (a.k.a. the Arrowhead Pendant)


Double Soprano G - SG


Forte Triple Alto C - AC


edited 1:30 PM EDT May 1, 2009
by mudlord at 7:03 PM EDT on May 1, 2009
Found out that Sin and Punishment (N64)
* Uses 11 (!!!) threads
* 3 threads are dedicated to video, 1 fo audio
* uses AlSynNew for music

hcs, dealt with any games that use this method? (F Zero X?) Got any tips?
by Mouser X at 5:31 PM EDT on May 7, 2009
My ocarina came today!! I'd use my camera to take pictures, but I was invited to a movie, so I don't have time to do that, and upload them. I'm strongly tempted to take my ocarina with me while I wait in line, but that'd probably considered somewhat rude/obnoxious to play it/practice it.

It sounds really nice though. Less airy than my peruvian $10 one. Mouser X over and out.
by Elven Spellmaker at 7:18 PM EDT on May 7, 2009
You seem to be enjoying it already. =)

Of course its going to be better than a cheap one, its basically a proper instrument as opposed to a novelty. =)

You should try playing a Soprano C, Double SG or the high notes on the Triple AC lol, that turns some heads - its just loud and high.
by Mouser X at 1:30 PM EDT on May 9, 2009
Last night I attempted to play "Singing Mountain" from Chrono Trigger. I wrote down the numbers used instead of notes, because the book that came with my ocarina uses numbers, so that's what I'm used to. I should attempt to play/record/upload it so others can tell me what parts need to be fixed. There's one note in particular that just doesn't sound right (to me), but I can't seem to find one that sounds better.

Short version: I'm having fun practicing my ocarina, but I think I'll have to wear earplugs. I tend to get a ringing in my right ear for some reason. Mouser X over and out.
by SmartOne at 3:18 AM EDT on May 11, 2009
ASUS' own BIOS recovery system doesn't even work. I have the exact same problem as this guy: Stupid ASUS

I love how the whole English section of their website was clearly run through a poor computer translator.

Unless a miracle happens, my computer is as good as dead.

edited 3:23 AM EDT May 11, 2009
by nensondubois at 8:56 PM EDT on May 13, 2009
finished the Mario Kart set.
I still have trouble making one .spc file. I can't get it to look forever like the other ones.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/11/9/1574507/Super%20Mario%20Kart%20-%20Opponent%20Invincible.spc
by SmartOne at 2:51 AM EDT on May 14, 2009
lol, posting from PS3 browser. Downloading from the Playstation is slow. I NEED A USB keyboard.

Got my computer to work. Still don quite know la problema.
by Elven Spellmaker at 9:46 AM EDT on May 14, 2009
I have posted from the Wii Opera Browser before, it works fine.

@MouserX: I'm glad your enjoying it =), I just recently learned the Scars of Time from Chrono Cross, its really easy. Docjazz plays it actually.

Scars of Time - Chrono Cross - Docjazz4

I havn't played either games though, are they good?
by mudlord at 1:24 AM EDT on May 15, 2009
finally made a crappy webpage:
http://mudlord.hcs64.com/

says what i want.
enjoy.
by Mouser X at 1:26 AM EDT on May 15, 2009
Chrono Trigger is awesome. Seriously, get the game (either buy the NDS version, or emulate the SNES version. I've played through the (emulated) SNES version many many times) and play it. Even more than 10 years after its original release, it gets a 9 out of 10 in most reviews (for the NDS version, and there are very very few changes. They reworked the menu to take advantage of the dual screens and touchscreen). I don't know if it's the best game of all time, but it's certainly a contender for it (for me, I'd have to say I like Link's Awakening (the original, due to the "warp trick") more. But that's based on the amount of time I've spent playing the game). If you haven't played Chrono Trigger, then you're missing out on one of the best games ever made.

As for Chrono Cross, I haven't beaten it. I bought the game a month or two before I even had a PSX (I was hoping to emulate it in ePSXe.... To say the least, my computer couldn't handle it), because when I found out that Chrono Trigger had a sequal, I did everything I could to get a copy, even though I didn't have the system it was for. After playing, I have this to say - Interesting game, and good music. I really should finish it sometime.... However, I liked Skies of Arcadia more, personally (for the Dreamcast, released on the NGC. It works in most DC emulators. I bought and played the NGC version and liked it so much I downloaded the DC version and emulated it on my PC to get screenshots from it). Chrono Cross is a fine game, but you seriously need to play Chrono Trigger.

As for my ocarina, I've downloaded various sheet musics, with the intention of "converting" them to the numbering system (it's easier for me to get the numbers down, than the notes, for whatever reason). I haven't done so yet, because I've been watching MacGyver.... And playing Link's Awakening. I should learn "Manbo's Mamba" for the ocarina.

P.S. My PC now can handle emulating the PSX just fine. Back then, the game was recently released, and I was attempting to run ePSXe on 200 mhz CPU, with a video card that could only do the most rudimentary form of 3D possible. It was a terrible combination for emulating the PSX (emulating anything older than the SNES actually), but I had no idea about that stuff back then. Mouser X over and out.

edited 1:32 AM EDT May 15, 2009
by hcs at 10:36 AM EDT on May 15, 2009
Woo, that song sure is fun to whistle!
by Elven Spellmaker at 11:32 AM EDT on May 15, 2009
Woo, that song sure is fun to whistle!

Which one lol?
by hcs at 11:43 AM EDT on May 15, 2009
Scars of Time, the only one that had been mentioned.
by Elven Spellmaker at 4:58 AM EDT on May 16, 2009
Scars of Time, the only one that had been mentioned.

I assumed that, but two more had also been mentioned by MouserX. Singing Mountain and Manbo's Mamba.
by hcs at 3:42 PM EDT on May 16, 2009
Oops, right you are. I blame it on Mouser's post being too long.
by arbingordon at 4:02 PM EDT on May 16, 2009
leave the smartassery to unknownfile and I, hcs

we're professionals
by Mouser X at 7:32 PM EDT on May 16, 2009
So I numbered the Singing Mountain music, and I was somewhat surprised. My "play by ear" version was nearly identical to the sheet music. The two biggest differences was I had two spots where I had an extra note (same pitch/tone, it was 2 shorter notes of the same type, but they were supposed to be 1 longer note), and a sharp/flat or two.

I also worked out Matoya's Cavern (FF1) and Terra's Theme (FF6), but I'm having difficulty with Matoya's Cavern. Looking at the sheet music, and playing that, sounds wrong.... Yet, when I get it closer to sounding right, the count gets way off, and I lose track of where I'm at....

As for Terra's Theme, if I play it in its original key, it's too low (I don't have notes that go that low), and if I play it one octive higher, it's too high. I therefore had to transpose (I think that's the right word) it. I'm pretty happy with the results overall.

Now I just need to practice some of these. It might be easier if I could memorize these things faster.... It also hurts my fingers. I think I'm holding it too tightly, but I'm spending so much concentration on playing the right notes, that I don't realize how tight I'm holding it. I'm having a hard enough time doing one thing, that others are being ignored (I still have difficulty doing the "tu" stuff when blowing into the ocarina). But I now have some (non-zelda) songs to practice, so that will be interesting. Mouser X over and out.
by mudlord at 9:31 PM EDT on May 16, 2009
hcs,

I would appreciate it if you kill the domain:
mudlord.hcs64.com.

Thanks for the compliance.
by hcs at 11:52 PM EDT on May 16, 2009
As you like.
by mudlord at 12:32 AM EDT on May 17, 2009
Thankyou HCS, much appreciated :)
by Elven Spellmaker at 9:11 AM EDT on May 17, 2009
Mouser, your right its called transposing, somthing which is very useful on the Ocarina.

It didn't take me long before I was articulating notes properly, i.e. the tu sound. It shouldn't take you too long, the first obstacle I had, which didnt take too long to cure (about 5 mins maybe) was remebering to keep the pinky finger down until the last note.
by Mouser X at 12:26 PM EDT on May 17, 2009
That's the finger that tends to get hurt the most.... By the time I get done with a session on my ocarina, I can't bend my left pinky unless I shake my hand out a few times.... As for the note articulation, part of the difficulty results from my habit to whistle. When whistling, I don't "articulate" it that much, unless I'm using my tounge to produce more notes, faster.

So far, Terra's Theme (transposed) is among the easiest to play, followed closely by Singing Mountain. Matoya's Cavern hits a low 4, up to the 7 (flat), with lots of sharps and flats between. It's also supposed to be played rather quickly, and requires a dexterity of the fingers that I don't yet posess (and I fear for artharitis in my later years if I do get to that point...). I'm mildly considering doing a recording of my feeble attempts, to show off what I've done so far. It should be noted, though, that none of the songs mentioned would be played at full tempo (or likely anywhere near it), and I still tend to lose track of where I am in the song, and have to stop to find my place.

Nonetheless, it's fun to be able to play these songs on an actual instrument (instead of whistling them all the time). It'd be nifty if I got good enough, that someone at OC ReMix (or other similar site) used my recordings in a(n accepted) submission. That'd make my day.

[EDIT] For kicks and giggles, I've decided to figure out/learn the "unlearned ocarina" (from Link's Awakening) sound that link plays when you very first get the ocarina (and haven't learned any songs yet). I have a GBS that ugetab ripped of the sound effects (since that "song" is a sound effect, and not in the music bank of the game), but it's on my PC which isn't on right now. So instead, for those interested in hearing it, I'll link you to my "website." I recorded this particular "song" on actual hardware years ago, and uploaded it to my Geocities website, where it still resides. Have fun on my page.... I have a few other odds and ends there, but nothing entirely special. Mouser X over and out.

edited 2:38 AM EDT May 18, 2009
by Elven Spellmaker at 11:44 AM EDT on May 18, 2009
Ooo, if you could upload the GBS of the sound effects that would be good. =)

Keep going Mouser you'll get there eventually. The more you practice the easier it will get and the more you can play!

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