I've included a visual example, since I thought at first that it may be a speed problem. It's not.
BT USF in wave form in Audacity.
The file on the bottom is a USF from the current set. The one on the top is from the preliminary set.
edited 4:41 PM EST November 27, 2007
[1:19] <JoshW> im taking yet another look at banjo tooie
[1:20] <JoshW> the current method of ripping it doesnt allow that .1 second of the start of the track to be played
[1:41] <JoshW> well, i found that it uses its own custom osSetIntMask, which led me to its custom alEvtqPostEvent which should lead me to its custom music routines
(Nov 28th)
He's looking into it (yay!)
58_Banjo-Tooie - Glitter Gulch Mine_ Prospector's Hut
29_Banjo-Tooie - Mayahem Temple_ Targitzan's Temple
I'm very happy I've got some of my favorites without sound effects, but the set as a whole seems sort of preliminary in my honest opinion. I'm not begging you to complete it as I've got 90% of the tracks that I wanted, but it'd be nice if you took a look and fixed the problems.
Off hand, though, I can't remember any other tracks that had speeds alternate of that used by the level main. Were there any, or were these the only two of note?
Also, Mayahem Temple loses an instrument a little over a minute in the song, if I remember correctly. This one doesn't really bother me since I've got the MP3 from the soundtrack CD, but I felt like letting you all know.
Anyways, the reason for the delay is that the batchripper doesn't like to start ripping right when the music call is made, i am forced to wait a little while but i am trying to fix this by making the music start later by putting a wait in before the custom alSeqPlay is called after it is loaded.
Mayahem Temple looses instruments? Well i listened and some animal noises are definitely gone when compared to the game, but i can't get this back however i rip. Perhaps the channel mask is wrong. anyway, I'll look into this.
edited 4:23 PM EST December 2, 2007
That, and (more relevantly) I once saw someone ask about that B-T text document there. Not even the people who founded the site and claimed to have total technical knowledge of Rare's N64 games had the faintest clue what on earth any of it was pointing to.
On the original subject:
Does 0.1 seconds really make that much of a difference? Just ignore it. It's not like having that immeasurably small fraction of a second cut off the song is hurting anyone or anything.
edited 5:36 PM EST December 2, 2007
edited 6:31 PM EST December 2, 2007
It may seem like nitpicking to want to fix a problem like this, but isn't the aim of these sets to have the music from the game, and have it play the way it plays in the game?
To those who can't stand it, simply downloaded the preliminary set and take the already-perfect USF rips of the obscure themes that don't overlap (boss themes, Tower of Tragedy, Fun 'n' Games, etc.) and replace the 0.1 versions of those with the preliminary, better versions (you know what I'm talking about). You'll be happy for the most part, because the said obscure tracks are usually fast.
I can definitely live with the rips I've got now...I'm not complaining. I've just been visiting here a lot recently because I'm curious as to what's going on.
Edit: Changed one line.
edited 7:38 PM EST December 2, 2007
Sure you can see the error, but if you can't hear the error, I say that there is nothing to complain about.
Also, Rush 2049 has a similar error. Since you guys are on this perfection drive, be sure try to get it and OoT fixed too.
I finished Glover not too long ago, and I'm working on Jet Force Gemini now.
@Toasty: 469,332 times? Lets see... The track from the OST is 4:18 long. Multiply that by 469,332 and that comes out to 3.8 years.
The whole album length is 67:12. If you listened to the whole album every time that you listened to the Mayahem Temple track, then that comes out to 60 years.
So what you are saying is that for the past 60 years you have been constantly listening to an OST that came out 7 years ago? You're a better person than I am. I can't seem to master that time warp thing. :P
Except for the 400,000+ that he was talking about...I've only listened to the song about 60 times outside of the game.
Edit: I should mention, listening to Stomping Plains as you're doing your daily whatever is absolutely hilarious. I was walking around school listening to it and I nearly busted out laughing.
edited 10:42 PM EST December 3, 2007
</blatant troll>
edited 6:19 PM EST December 5, 2007
In your Banjo-Kazooie soundtrack, the "Ending on a Holiday" track has extra TTC seagull noises that don't belong there. Since you seem to have deleted the machine parts in the Engine Room and the boilings noises in Tooty's Theme, think you could manage to delete the seagulls?
If not, it's perfectly fine.
Thanks for the info.
N64 audio is synthesized in software, it makes no sense to say that your N64 does something odd.
But yes, the seagulls are there, and they weren't intrusive enough upon the music for me to bother ugetab with removing them.
Oh, and ugetab removed the other sound effects, so give me no credit for it.
As long as you can understand when I'm pulling the theory from practice, and the terminology from my ass.
edited 7:38 PM EST December 12, 2007
Many thanks to JoshW on his work with the Banjo-Tooie USFs, although there is a missing file, I'm not sure if it can be ripped or not; I know there was some trouble concerning Rareware's habit of splicing all tracks to get the music to stay in the same position between areas. It's a part of the Grunty Industries split: there should be another file for the roof version of the Grunty Industries theme. Sorry to point it out if it's blatantly unfixable, but I haven't seen any there comments on it. The split-track is noticeable by using a violin sound around 1:20, alongside the glockenspiel.
Thanks, and keep up the great work
Pix
edited 2:53 PM EST December 29, 2007
How's the re-rip going?
edited 2:11 PM EST February 6, 2008
I'd also try and do it myself...but I'm attempting to start with a simpler PSF format than USF, so I'll just ask;
This make any progress lately?
Josh, is there anything you can do to fix the error in the Banjo-Tooie set that causes the tracks to be missing the first 0.1 seconds of playback?
I've been checking the USF page from time to time to see if this has been addressed, but it doesn't look like JoshW even posts in here anymore. I'm not holding my breath on this personally.
It'd be nice to have this set done before Nuts & Bolts is out, and I'll gladly re-time, and proper tag the set once the tempos are fixed.
Still, it'd probably be good to have a list of the tracks with off tempos.
Look at the speed variables. The main theme of each area uses the default tempo already on the USF set. If a variation of that theme has a different speed variable, then it is a different tempo.
If anybody can figure out exactly how many times faster or slower the variation is than the default tempo. I would surely appreciate it.
So, has anyone heard anything from Josh? I'm quite out of my mind with work, so I can imagine the possibility that the Aussie is as well.
Still, I've been hankering for this soundtrack for well over a year. ><;;
Seriously, what's up with this thing? I'll do anything I can to help...
edited 2:15 AM EST November 17, 2008
'k, i've went batshit insane and did some crazy things to make this one.
Get it
Lemme know if theres still anything wrong with it.
*gets to timing and tagging*
Still, it's more work I'm glad to do, since this means it's all definitely right.
There is a set at Galbadia Hotel which, while not perfect, contains the correct tempos for each song. It can be used in comparison with the usf set. And don't forget about ugetabs notes that I posted earlier in this thread.
edited 12:54 AM EST November 28, 2008
I like how it sounds. The only thing I thought might be incorrect was sparse1a(which is mentioned above), but that could just be a weird tempo.
I'll check any questionable tempos against what I originally grabbed, when I get the time/access I need. I doubt there'll be much need for most of it, but I will definitely recheck those 2, because they'll be really easy to reproduce for info.
It is correct, though.
The unfortunate side-effect of this being correct, however, is that the track itself will be prime until several loops of the main theme, something I encountered with the Space Station track of Jet Force Gemini, which remained prime for more than an hour.
And when I say prime, I'm talking about the track not repeating, making it impossible to loop 'properly.' I've timed it to two loops of the main Glitter Gulch Mine theme, but the sort of space organ-ie overtone probably wouldn't be at the same spot as it was in the beginning of the song for four or five loops, I'd estimate.
I figure with just two loops and a ten second fade, everyone will get the idea.
I mean, it's not that great of a track, anyway. :P
edited 2:02 AM EST November 28, 2008
1. Spaceship area in Glitter Gulch Mine
Checked and good, as far as the value goes
2. Terrydactylland aquatics (sparse30)
Tempo is actually 0444, not 0439. One of the hazards of a game with a tempo that 'shifts' instead of 'switches', so...
Terrydactyland: Aquatic
52, 0000000000000600, 00000444
The fix for the btooie.usflib is this:
1AB9F8 = 4404
edit:
Time sparse1a to the Glitter Gulch Aquatic theme or to Gloomy Caverns/Crushing Shed, which should be about the same. Those have the same tempo values as the Space theme.
edited 2:24 AM EST November 28, 2008
Also, there seems to be one file missing from the previous rip, and one track (sparsea3) doesn't seem to have any sound at all. Is anyone else getting this?
I can't find the title screen music, so I assume it must be the missing one, or the mute one.
edited 6:30 AM EST November 28, 2008
I reuploaded it over the old one
Usually I'll get a set timed, tagged, and numbered, then send it through Winamp and iTunes to get mp3's, then I listen to it in my car, since that's the only downtime I have to dick around and listen to music these days.
But anyway, that's when I check for minor things like tempo and timing on every single track.
Thus far I've named and timed about 80 files, and they sound completely correct. It's a big difference compared to the last set, and with the tempo corrections I'm finding, I have to re-time a good number of the tracks.
Are you sure? I didn't notice a difference. Am I clicking on the right link?
Here's the comparison mp3:
http://www.sound-test.org/soundtracks/banjo/banjo-tooie/041%20Targitzan%27s%20Temple.mp3
New btooie.usflib:
1C286C = 6C
Mayahem Temple: Targitzan's Temple
39, FFFFFFFFBE200000, 0000066C (instead of 60C)
0x7AB77 in uncompressed file is Tempo
0x7A426 in uncompressed file is Channel Info
To make it simple, most people are too downright lazy to make that much effort once, much less twice. This would be my 3rd or 4th run through the game, trying to get to exactly the same areas, so I could record music. I don't plan to do this again, unless someone thinks there's something specific wrong. If you want to, the info is above.
I replaced the .lib with the latest one from the link on the last page, and I've noticed that Targitzan's Temple does indeed run slower, but that means my last time is off for it. I added an extra minute off hand, but I need a bit of a break from the set (I've been doing it for two days straight now @_@ )
Anyway, here's the tagged/prelim timed set. Remember, it's just for reference, as the times aren't final.
Edit: Link uselessly old.
edited 7:21 PM EST November 30, 2008
Well, I knew I'd get someone to say something about that, but since it turned out to be the very first comment on it...
*goes off to re-tag the set*
Huh.
I don't know where those sounds are coming from, but they aren't there when i just start the music, and they are when it is playing in the emulator normally.
Either they are just sound effects playing i sync with the music, or something that adjusts their channel volume hasn't been done.
edited 6:16 AM EST November 30, 2008
I'll go back and look at that, and the track, again.
In the meantime, someone's whining got me off my ass, too.
The corrected tags AND times are in the following set, that I am calling complete from the tagger/timer standpoint. It's Josh's call now whether to put it up or not.
Edit: Link uselessly wrong.
Gotta say, this is definitely the biggest timing/tagging challenge I've had since the Banjo-Kazooie set. On a side note, this almost screwed me up;
Glitter Gulch Mine: Waterfall Cavern
3E, 000000007C610000, 000006C8
Glitter Gulch Mine: Gloomy Caverns
3E, 0000000007FF0000, 0000061A
I'm pretty sure those two timing values are transposed. They're correct in the set, but just note that I believe they're wrong there.
edited 7:22 PM EST November 30, 2008
I must have been misreading names, then.
I changed the tags around, so I might have just confused myself. Xp
Also; what's up with the Mayhem Temple track? Any headway? Sounds like the last issue with this one.
edited 7:43 PM EST November 30, 2008
Most of these songs don't play for me <_< (1.2b3)
Maybe it's just that you're using 5.541 or whatever it is...or that you're not. Did you try a clean Winamp re-install?
The first instruction that gets run is a 'BREAK', which, incidentally, breaks it in both Project 64 and NEmu64 when converted to a save state. The fix for both of them in the USFLib is this:
112F5C = 0x98
This probably won't matter much in the playback, but I figured I'd point it out, just in case Josh was interested.
2 other notes:
1: Why does the May(a)hem temple theme need "_enableFIFOfull=1"?
2: Is it 'Mayhem' or 'Mayahem' Temple?
Despite the fact that I somehow managed to read that wrong every time I saw it for eight years, I shall remain blameless, since nobody found it 'til now.
yep, the first instruction is a BREAK. I did it on purpose.
I made BREAK 0x5 tell the emulator to make a save state there. As the instruction isn't emulated in 64th Note, i figured it would be safe to use it to do my own stuff. Also there is a large loop at the beginning of the track that slows everything down, then another BREAK. I tried to fix the Mayahem Temple by enabling the FIFO full flag, bah that didn't work.
But i'll remove these when it is completed.
Edit:
Me = too slow
edited 11:13 PM EST December 2, 2008
I suppose I'll start moving things around, then.
And it looks like it will be staying that way.
also...one of the tracks: 145 - Cloud Cuckooland.miniusf is labeled as "Banjo-Kazooie"
edited 12:00 AM EST December 3, 2008