Compare Taggs by PdZ at 2:59 PM EDT on July 27, 2005

I start this thread for help.
Iam working on Get Force Gemini with the help of Project 64 1.6, psf point and the Roms.

Iam working hard to tagg some sets.Iam working at Mario Party and Jet Force Gemini.


Mario Party:

RENAME "sparse106.ram.miniram.miniusf" "001. Mario Party - The Story Begins.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse101.ram.miniram.miniusf" "002. Mario Party - Title.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse02.ram.miniram.miniusf" "003. Mario Party - Menu Map.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse05.ram.miniram.miniusf" "004. Mario Party - Options.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse04.ram.miniram.miniusf" "005. Mario Party - Bank.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse06.ram.miniram.miniusf" "006. Mario Party - Shop.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse07.ram.miniram.miniusf" "007. Mario Party - Mini Game Shop.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse2a.ram.miniram.miniusf" "008. Mario Party - Toads Game Explanation.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse03.ram.miniram.miniusf" "009. Mario Party - The Adventure Begins.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse39.ram.miniram.miniusf" "010. Mario Party - Board Map Fanfare.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse3a.ram.miniram.miniusf" "011. Mario Party - Board Map Overview.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse11.ram.miniram.miniusf" "012. Mario Party - Koopas Introduction.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse2b.ram.miniram.miniusf" "013. Mario Party - Toads General Introduction.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse08.ram.miniram.miniusf" "014. Mario Party - Board Map- DK's Jungle Adventure Board Map.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse09.ram.miniram.miniusf" "015. Mario Party - Board Map- Peach's Birthday Cake.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse0a.ram.miniram.miniusf" "016. Mario Party - Board Map- Yoshi's Tropical Island.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse0b.ram.miniram.miniusf" "017. Mario Party - Board Map- Wario's Battle Canyion.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse0c.ram.miniram.miniusf" "018. Mario Party - Board Map- Luigi's Engine Room.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse0d.ram.miniram.miniusf" "019. Mario Party - Board Map- Mario's Rainbow Castle"
RENAME "sparse15.ram.miniram.miniusf" "020. Mario Party - Minigame Description.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse12.ram.miniram.miniusf" "73. Mario Party - Bowser.miniusf"

Get Force Gemini:

RENAME "sparse55.ram.miniram.miniusf" "001. Get Force Gemini - Rareware Logo.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse0b.ram.miniram.miniusf" "002. Get Force Gemini - Title.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse02.ram.miniram.miniusf" "003. Get Force Gemini - Game Selection.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse0e.ram.miniram.miniusf" "004. Get Force Gemini - Character Selection.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse39.ram.miniram.miniusf" "005. Get Force Gemini - Story (Intro).miniusf"
RENAME "sparse3a.ram.miniram.miniusf" "006. Get Force Gemini - Juno's Mission Start.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse07.ram.miniram.miniusf" "007. Get Force Gemini - Juno's Mission Start v2.miniusf"



Iam so far at the moment.If someone have something to add/change, I could have some help.Its not as easy as it seems.I hope this is not spam ^^

by Mouser X at 3:34 PM EDT on July 27, 2005

No, this isn't spam. It makes perfect sense to me. If someone can't finish tagging a set by themselves, then by all means, ask for help. I've done that for a few of the sets I've added tags to (including the Zelds 5: OoT set). However, you're in a slightly different boat. With Jet Force Gemini, you haven't even played the game (or so I gater), and therefore have to dig your way all the way through it to find what song belongs where. That's A LOT of hard work. I did that for a Megaman Legends 2 MP3 soundtrack I found. It took me months to finish it because I had to not only play through the game, but I had to play through it multiple times to find out exactly where the songs were. And, the songs were already named! I just had to get to the point in the game when the song name matched the event/location I was at in the game.

Anyway, I commend you for your efforts. Good luck, and sorry I can't help with titles, or anything. I've never played Jet Force Gemini, and I only played Mario Party once. It wasn't that great, in my opinion. Again, keep up the good work. You deserve props (what does that stand for, anyway? I never quite got down the meaning of that word, though I'm pretty sure it's a shortened form of something). Mouser X over and out.

by hcs at 5:54 PM EDT on July 27, 2005

I don't think I've ever played the first Mario Party myself, and I've never played JFG, but both undoubtedly have some great music from what I've heard of them.

Thanks for your work, PdZ.

And props is short for propers. "To give props" is approximately translated "to give one the respect he (properly) deserves".

by PdZ at 2:00 AM EDT on July 28, 2005

I'd played played Get Force Gemini and Mario Party very often.But it is very very very long ago.And I could only remember all Tracks of Perfect Dark and could name them right like the Levels or situations where this songs are used.Perfect Dark was the Game, which i have played more than 8 hours a day, every day...PdZ, by the way, means "PerfectDarkZero".
I'd played almost all games on N64 which are perfect, good or near to good.But its nearly impoosible to remember 89 Songs in a Game, so i could rename/tagg them right.So I "MUST" play the game until I get all songs.Rayman 2 was very very hard to tagg, but it was one of my fav. Games in the N64 era 6 years ago.Also Blast Corps wasn't that easy, but I look forward for the other games.hcs greats ripping work, this nice little community and my "love" to the Game Music help me to finish those sets.But to get all Minigames in MP and all hard Levels in JFG... its very hard, so i could use help.If Someone is also tagging one of this games , he/she could compare with my taggs and we could put them together for a most complete tag.This is the future and I think, its better than to work so looooooong and hard alone.

(I dont want to say that even more, but for this long text I must say: I KNOW MY ENGLISH IS BAD)

bye PdZ

by PdZ at 2:04 AM EDT on July 28, 2005

And also it is very(!) motivating, if someone helps me out or is satisfied with the work I had.
So I could tagg more rips in the future.
And DONT FORGET HCS, I love u for ur work, and thank all the other rippers and the upcoming rippers.Thanks.

by PdZ at 12:01 AM EDT on July 29, 2005

Mario Party will be ready today.

by PdZ at 4:06 PM EDT on July 29, 2005

Ok it will not be ready today, because of a big problem.To complete the game i must solve some tasks.But to solve these i must rotate my "virtual" Joystick as much as i can.But this is a little bit... HARD!!! I mean... its impossible for one Stage... so i dont get any further. :(

If there is someone with a solution or a "rotate joystick plugin" for Pj64 could help me out ^^

by Mouser X at 5:23 PM EDT on July 29, 2005

I'm sure this isn't the help you were hoping for, but I bought a device that allows me to hook up my PSX controller to my PC. It's much easier to rotate the stick that way.

The only other idea I can come up with, that's also probably not going to help, is to max out the amount of work your CPU pulls off, and don't do the auto-framerate. Make it pull off full frames. Hopefully, this will slow down the emulator enough that you can, with pinpoint accuracy, push your keys in the needed sequence. However, there is the problem that you still need to be able to do the diaganol direction... Perhaps if you hold down 2 arrow keys at a time?

An example of what I'm talking about is as follows: I once wanted to get the full animations of MMX from MMX1. However, the emulator was running to fast for me to do a screenshot every frame (or at least every time MM made a move). So, I started up POV-Ray. It's program that renders, in high quality, realistic detail, 3D scenes. I selected a rather complex scene, then started the render. This took about 90% or more of my CPU. Most likely 98%. Then I ran ZSNES. Yes, it ran SLOW!!!! And I turned off frameskipping. I was running it in full frames, at terrible speeds (like, 1 frame a second, if that). However, I was able to get the screenshots I wanted. I had to press, and hold, the button for the commands to take (since it was taxing my computer so greatly that it couldn't read from the keyboard correctly), but it did get me what I wanted.

Perhaps, if you can slow it down enough, you can try to do this as well? Like I said, that's probably not going to work, and it will probably be a huge pain in the neck to pull off. But, I've never tried to run a N64 emulator in that fashion before so it might work (though, thinking about it now, I have ran it at about 5 frams a second, or less... I wanted some REALLY high res shots, and I could only get them when running in software mode, which REALLY killed my CPU, bad. But I got what I wanted (plus a headache...)).

There's also a plugin, or something, that allows you to setup 2 keys per direction (I think that's what it does). 1 for full forward (you have the joystick pushed as far as it will go), and another for slower (you're only lightly pushing it, to make your character walk, instead of run, for example). I doubt this controller plugin will you though. Not that I even remember what it's called.

Anyway, that's the only help I have to offer. Sorry I couldn't be of more use. Mouser X over and out.

by Prokopis at 7:18 AM EDT on July 30, 2005

You know, both ZSNES as well as Snes9x have snapshot and increment frame capabilities (ZSNES 1.42 in fact has a built-in combo of those two features, exactly for purposes like yours). Also, if working your game's keystrokes around the single frame step process is hard for you, you could always create a movie (zmv/smv) of your input up to the point of the animation you care about and a bit beyond that and then replay it and only worry about removing all non-sprite layers and snapping pics.

Point is, there's really no reason for all that CPU slowdown trickery when it comes to 16-bit console emus and speed control. Of course talking about the same thing with N64 or Sega DC, or other similar platforms would be a whole other ballgame.

PS: BTW, for the Mega Man crowd in here (I'm not one of them, but still), if you hadn't heard, a very impressive new tool assisted speedrun of X1 and X2 was submitted by DeHackEd at Bisqwit's site some 12 days ago. You might want to look into it if time attacks are your fancy.

by PdZ at 3:59 PM EDT on July 30, 2005

Thx Mouser and thanks Prokopis.

Very nice Idea with the "CPU Slowdownthing".ZSNES WIP has an build-in speedreducer Option.I dont know how to manually set the framerate in N64 PJ64, so that I would have enough time to use the Buttons on the keyboard.And yes Mouser X, u must use 2 Buttons in diagonal directions as well.

I hope ur trick could help me, the trick with the cpu.But i have a very good CPU and very xtreme good Ram.I hope it works.

bye PdZ

by PdZ at 4:25 PM EDT on July 30, 2005

No this trick doesn't work.

It seems i must train my fingers until i could challenge this.

Very hard.

by Mouser X at 9:45 PM EDT on July 30, 2005

Yah, it doesn't surprise me that it doesn't work. As I said, it probably wouldn't help. But I did try to offer anything that might have helped. Sorry it didn't work. Good luch with your endevour.

Actually, here's an idea. Make a savestate of where you're at right now, and send that to someone who has a real controller, so that they can do the rotational stick thing. Then, they could either finish the set for you, or they could make a savestate immediatly after the rotational deal is done, and thereby, hopefully, not lose any of the data you're looking for. Of course for this to work, you might also have to send them the ROM as well (I don't know how well savestates work between differing versions of ROMs).

Though I would offer my services, I'm going to be very busy finishing up some things here before I move (I'm going back home in about 3 weeks. I've been in Florida since Janurary on an "Internship" (though I've considered it an extended summer job)). I still have to pack, send stuff home through the mail (I have WAY more stuff now than I did when I came down), and go to Universal Studios, at least once, preferably twice (I spent over $120 on a season pass. I've only been there once so far, so I want to get my money's worth out of it).

Anyway, good luck, and hopefully you can find someone who can pull off the rotational trick for you. Either that, or "train your fingers" to do it with a keyboard. Mouser X over and out.

by marioman at 5:17 PM EDT on July 31, 2005

I can probably help with tagging Mario Party by identifying some of the tracks for you. What are the numbers for the tracks that you don't know?

by PdZ at 5:10 AM EDT on August 1, 2005

Ok, iam so far:

RENAME "sparse106.ram.miniram.miniusf" "001. Mario Party - Opening.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse101.ram.miniram.miniusf" "002. Mario Party - Mario Party Theme.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse2a.ram.miniram.miniusf" "003. Mario Party - Playing The Game.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse02.ram.miniram.miniusf" "004. Mario Party - Peaceful Mushroom Village.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse04.ram.miniram.miniusf" "005. Mario Party - Mushroom Bank Theme.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse05.ram.miniram.miniusf" "006. Mario Party - Option House Theme.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse06.ram.miniram.miniusf" "007. Mario Party - Mushroom Shop Theme.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse07.ram.miniram.miniusf" "008. Mario Party - Mini-Game House Theme.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse03.ram.miniram.miniusf" "009. Mario Party - Traveling The Warp Pipe.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse11.ram.miniram.miniusf" "010. Mario Party - Adventure Begins.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse2b.ram.miniram.miniusf" "011. Mario Party - Where Have The Stars Gone.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse08.ram.miniram.miniusf" "012. Mario Party - Jungle Adventure.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse09.ram.miniram.miniusf" "013. Mario Party - Birthday Cake.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse0a.ram.miniram.miniusf" "014. Mario Party - Tropical Island.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse0b.ram.miniram.miniusf" "015. Mario Party - Battle Canyion.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse0c.ram.miniram.miniusf" "016. Mario Party - Engine Room.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse0d.ram.miniram.miniusf" "017. Mario Party - Rainbow Castle"
RENAME "sparse15.ram.miniram.miniusf" "018. Mario Party - Play A Mini-Game!.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse1a.ram.miniram.miniusf" "019. Mario Party - Mushroom Forest.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse1b.ram.miniram.miniusf" "020. Mario Party - Ducking and Dodging.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse1c.ram.miniram.miniusf" "021. Mario Party - Full Of Danger.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse19.ram.miniram.miniusf" "022. Mario Party - The Wide, Wide Ocean.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse1d.ram.miniram.miniusf" "023. Mario Party - Coins Of The World.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse1e.ram.miniram.miniusf" "024. Mario Party - Taking Coins.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse23.ram.miniram.miniusf" "025. Mario Party - Let's Go Lightly.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse26.ram.miniram.miniusf" "026. Mario Party - Faster Than All.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse1f.ram.miniram.miniusf" "027. Mario Party - The Room Underground.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse20.ram.miniram.miniusf" "028. Mario Party - Slowly, Slowly.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse25.ram.miniram.miniusf" "029. Mario Party - Can It Be Done.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse21.ram.miniram.miniusf" "030. Mario Party - Dodging Danger.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse27.ram.miniram.miniusf" "031. Mario Party - Saving Courage.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse18.ram.miniram.miniusf" "032. Mario Party - Move To The Mambo!.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse22.ram.miniram.miniusf" "033. Mario Party - Let's Limbo!.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse24.ram.miniram.miniusf" "034. Mario Party - Hit Or Miss Chance Game.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse1b.ram.miniram.miniusf" "035. Mario Party - Ducking and Dodging.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse2d.ram.miniram.miniusf" "036. Mario Party - Mario's Bandstand 1.miniusf
RENAME "sparse2e.ram.miniram.miniusf" "037. Mario Party - Mario's Bandstand 2.miniusf
RENAME "sparse17.ram.miniram.miniusf" "038. Mario Party - Mario's Bandstand 3.miniusf
RENAME "sparse13.ram.miniram.miniusf" "039. Mario Party - Koopa Troopa Theme.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse12.ram.miniram.miniusf" "040. Mario Party - Bowser's Theme.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse10.ram.miniram.miniusf" "041. Mario Party - Outcome Of Adventure.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse39.ram.miniram.miniusf" "042. Mario Party - Board Map Fanfare.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse3a.ram.miniram.miniusf" "043. Mario Party - Board Map Overview.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse33.ram.miniram.miniusf" "044. Mario Party - Clear!.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse34.ram.miniram.miniusf" "045. Mario Party - Miss!.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse35.ram.miniram.miniusf" "046. Mario Party - Clear! After You Finished One Mini-Game Twice.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse16.ram.miniram.miniusf" "047. Mario Party - Results.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse41.ram.miniram.miniusf" "048. Mario Party - Mini Game Island All-In-One.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse42.ram.miniram.miniusf" "049. Mario Party - Mini Game Island 1.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse43.ram.miniram.miniusf" "050. Mario Party - Mini Game Island 2.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse44.ram.miniram.miniusf" "051. Mario Party - Mini Game Island 3.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse45.ram.miniram.miniusf" "052. Mario Party - Mini Game Island 4.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse46.ram.miniram.miniusf" "053. Mario Party - Mini Game Island 5.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse47.ram.miniram.miniusf" "054. Mario Party - Mini Game Island 6.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse48.ram.miniram.miniusf" "055. Mario Party - Mini Game Island 7.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse31.ram.miniram.miniusf" "056. Mario Party - Mini Game Stadium.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse3b.ram.miniram.miniusf" "057. Mario Party - Mini Game Victory 1.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse3c.ram.miniram.miniusf" "058. Mario Party - Mini Game Victory 2.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse3f.ram.miniram.miniusf" "059. Mario Party - Mini Game Victory 3.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse32.ram.miniram.miniusf" "060. Mario Party - Mini Game Victory 4.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse36.ram.miniram.miniusf" "061. Mario Party - Mini Game Victory 5.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse37.ram.miniram.miniusf" "062. Mario Party - Mini Game Victory 6.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse3d.ram.miniram.miniusf" "063. Mario Party - Slot Car Derby Start.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse30.ram.miniram.miniusf" "064. Mario Party - Bowsers Chance Game.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse102.ram.miniram.miniusf" "065. Mario Party - Board Outro.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse40.ram.miniram.miniusf" "066. Mario Party - Winner.miniusf"
RENAME "sparse103.ram.miniram.miniusf" "067. Mario Party - After The Victory.miniusf"


And here are the last ones, where u could help me.I hope u can!

sparse0e.ram.miniram.miniusf
sparse0f.ram.miniram.miniusf
sparse2f.ram.miniram.miniusf
sparse38.ram.miniram.miniusf
sparse104.ram.miniram.miniusf
sparse105.ram.miniram.miniusf

by the way.I think, the Song for getting a Star, is missing and there are many(!) Tracks which only containing 2 beep sounds.

ThX for help

by marioman at 6:00 AM EDT on August 1, 2005

OK, here are some:

0e - Magma Mountain
0f - Eternal Star
105 - Credits

Now, these tracks are played in the Mushroom Village after you get 100 stars and have played every board (including Bowser's). It has been a long time since I have heard these, so I will try to identify them, but I recommend that you use a cheat or something to get 100 stars and verify them.

104 - Mushrom Village (After Bowser steals the stars)
2f - Mushroom Bank (After Bowser steals the stars)
38 - Message from Bowser

Hope that these help you.

One last thing, after this set gets tagged and timed, what is next? Does it still need to be optimized or anything like that or will it be complete? That has been unclear to me. Thanks.

by Gashlin\'s groupie at 6:07 AM EDT on August 1, 2005

sparse0e.ram.miniram.miniusf === Magma Mountain
sparse0f.ram.miniram.miniusf === Eternal Star
sparse2f.ram.miniram.miniusf === The Stolen Star
sparse38.ram.miniram.miniusf === ????
sparse104.ram.miniram.miniusf === Rising Stars
sparse105.ram.miniram.miniusf === Everyone's a Super Star!

by Mouser X at 6:08 AM EDT on August 1, 2005

Based on precedence, I'd say it will remain in the preliminary area, because it causes crashing. It's not "complete" until it's fully stable. However, I'm not HCS, so I can't make that call. But, as I said, I would expect it to remain in the prelims. If it was released, it would be released with a HUGE, notice, warning, etc. telling people that it will burn their house down etc. At least, that's what I'd say. Mouser X over and out.

by PdZ at 7:45 PM EDT on August 2, 2005

Thank u very much, guys.

by PdZ at 6:37 AM EDT on August 3, 2005

Only a few more days, and iam complete with tagging of Mario Party.

by marioman at 5:06 PM EDT on August 6, 2005

Hey PDZ, your Mario Party tags look good. One thing that you might want to check is the tag/time for track # 007. Just thought that you should know.

Thanks for tagging these.

by unknownfile at 3:55 AM EDT on August 8, 2005

Are these all timed propertly? It seems that some songs only loop once, when the xSF loop standard is supposed to be two times.

by PdZ at 8:58 AM EDT on August 8, 2005

They loop at least once.Only a few songs which are to short, loop twice.Its ready tagged Unknownfile.

by PdZ at 8:59 AM EDT on August 8, 2005

I mean, the songs are timed right.Now i will check song Number 7..

Ok there was a little mistake, iam sorry.Very good marioman.
I will fix it and send it to hcs, if hes back.

by PdZ at 9:02 AM EDT on August 8, 2005

I didn't know, that there was a standard for "looping" USF sounds.If u are set the repeat button for a song u could listen to a song 1000000 times if u want.So.. why set the time at least for 2 loops?I think this isn't necessary.

by Prokopis at 9:45 AM EDT on August 8, 2005

Completely agree. As long as a score/track/song/whatever has had its true length identified, I don't see why the default runtime should be set for two loops. Couldn't anyone just edit it to anything they'd prefer for themselves (I know I've been doing that with SPCs for quite a while...)?

In fact, I wasn't aware of such a standard altogether. Mind telling us who decided on that and maybe why?

by Mouser X at 2:26 PM EDT on August 8, 2005

Apparently, most of you are unaware of the existence of the PSF_Rippers Yahoo group. If you were, you would be painfully aware of the fact that all songs, except those that don't repeat, loop twice. Notice, I did say painfully aware. There were actually people banned from that group because of the argument that took place concerning timing of the songs. Yes, the standard is 2 loops. Any less, and you've caused major annoyance to hundreds of people. Someone42 prefers the 1 loop, as you apparently do. However, to accomodate all parties involved, he includes a batch file that allows people to choose either 1, or 2 loops for their tracks. He defaults on 2 loops because he is aware of the standard.

That was decided, in general, by the whole PSF_Rippers group. However, specifically, Zoopd (ripped about 50 PSF sets singlehandedly), Caitsith2 (created the GSF format, in conjunction with Zoopd), and I beleive Neill (the creator of PSF, which USF is based on) also added his words. Those were the big 3, but it was basically 2/3 of the PSF_Rippers (who post actively) agreed that it should be 2 loops, then fade, unless the song doesn't loop at all. Then, it should stop when the song stops, but no fade is applied, because you can't fade silence.

As far as I am aware, the only major acceptance, to this point, was 1 song in the Zelda5: OoT set. That was Hyrule Field theme. It doesn't loop, but it doesn't stop either. I listened to it for 12 minutes, and could not find a point where it was being repeated in both pattern, and sounds played. I finally stopped it at around 3:43 and added a fade to that.

As for PSF files, you'll notice that some of the older sets don't follow this standard. It is because the standard wasn't decided upon until near the end of the PSFs being released. If you collect/listen to GSF files, you'll notice that 90% or more loop twice, then fade out. There are a few exceptions to this, but most of those eventually receive an update to remedy that problem.

As for SPC files, if you have to manuelly add the second loop yourself, then you're getting them from the wrong place. Go to http://www.snesmusic.org to find sets that are ALWAYS tagged 100% as close to accurate as they can get, including looping twice.

You've asked why some sets are Prelim, and not released? Looping only once is often the reason. More than once (and almost certainly more than twice) people have been told to either A) scrap it, or B) go back and time the songs correctly.

I don't mean to be rude in saying this. I am only stating a fact. The above circumstances started an argument about timing songs, and the tagger was so upset that his tags were "wrong" that he deleted his batch files, and left, leaving the set he was working on unfinished. He had only timed/tagged about 1/2 the set, so the other half wasn't timed or tagged at all. Eventually, they did come back, but there was definatly some ugly feelings for a little while.

Please, if they are looped only once, go back and fix the problem. This has been discussed at length before, and is definatly the decided standard. Not to say we don't appreciate your work, as we most definatly do appreciate it. It's just that one loop has been chosen as wrong. Again, thanks for your work. I look forward to the completed/fixed set. Mouser X over and out.

by unknownfile at 5:05 PM EDT on August 8, 2005

regarding Mario Party, I have found out that mp1_1 and mp1_2 USFLIBs are nothing but savestates that point to mp1rom.usflib. Why is this?

by PdZ at 5:52 AM EDT on August 10, 2005

To MOuser X:

I tagged also the Blast Corps Rip and all songs loop once.But its accepted and if neil,zoopd or someone said "the standard is..." it is not really necessary.The whole song is there and if listening to one song u could repeat it manually.
At the time, where i tagged Rayman 2, i did many mistakes in fading out.The songs fade out to early and hcs told me that the songs should come to the end and after the end u must set the fadeout.
Iam not in a Yahoogroup, so it doesn't bother me.The Set is okay, without one song which has no timing.

Does anyone ever read these subjects? They're pointless, eh? Oh yes, and fish. by unknownfile at 11:16 AM EDT on August 10, 2005

I am working on retiming Mario Party, and hopefully it shall be done by this evening.

If it isn't then you may take turns kicking me in the nuts.

My home address is:

1337 Fish Road
Toronto Ontario
HCS RUX Canada

by hcs at 11:21 AM EDT on August 10, 2005

If you had read my posts about Mario Party you would have seen that there are two different sequence banks in the game, each with it's own parameters regarding instrument banks etc. I could have done a lot of work to hack it into using both by pointing it at the different banks and settings, but I didn't feel like going through the extra trouble at the time so I just made one save state for each situation and ripped each seperately. I would have used two large usflibs but they share a common ROM so that's in a seperate one which is linked due to the recursive design of the usflib loading procedure. I wanted to combine the save states to only store the difference between them but the tools I've written aren't sophisticated enough to do it properly. Thus there's the slightly less efficient but more quickly finished arrangement that you see.

For the record I don't care much for setting a standard for timing. When tagging myself I take into account the length of the track and how much I enjoyed hearing it the first time through before I decide to time it for a second loop.

I'm not back yet, by the way, my flight home is tomorrow.

by PdZ at 2:10 PM EDT on August 10, 2005

Now u see, Mister Unknownfile, that it isn't really necessary.So u dont have to time it again.Tomorrow, when hcs is arrived, i will send him the new batchfile with the fixed Track 007 (thx again marioman, u was a big help).

by hcs at 1:06 AM EDT on August 12, 2005

Well, now that I'm listening to it, these tracks really could use two loops. I'll see which timings I like better if unknownfile sends me his.

by PdZ at 1:27 AM EDT on August 12, 2005

Ok.And track 7 need to have a timing.If Uknown retime it, he could also time Track 7.I Hope its in the future in the mainlist.

by unknownfile at 10:09 AM EDT on August 12, 2005

I often time a track so that EXACTLY WHEN THE SONG REPEATS TWICE, I hit the "Now" button, then set the fadeout to 5.

I'm also really taking my time on Mario Party, usually a few tracks a time. This morning I finished all the tracks up to Rainbow Castle. I also fixed the typo in one of those tracks.("Battle Canyion") And please don't yell at me if I don't get these done by Monday.

And now it is time to wander completely off topic and into a different subject.

I'm going to rip something to MSF soon, after a few days of hiatus. What will it be?

It may be MEGAMAN: THE POWER BATTLE.
It may be MIGHTY! PANG.
It may be PAC-MANIA.

Well if you were thinking of any of the above, you're stup. ;p

I'm actually going to start work on Street Fighter Alpha 2, which will be the first manual MSF rip. THEN I will rip the tracks on the list above in order.

AND WOULD SOMEBODY PLEASE TEACH ME HOW TO WRITE A PROGRAM THAT PRINTS MULTIPLE MINIMSF FILES!!

Back to the subject of USF tagging/timing:

I am going to finish the times for Killer Instinct Gold.

And now, onto the subject of USF ripping:

I'm going to see if I can track down that pesky copy of IDA Pro and get started on reripping Diddy Kong Racing, as I feel that the rip was just created in five seconds with minimal effort (no offense, hcs).

by hcs at 2:16 PM EDT on August 12, 2005

It took a lot of effort, actually, but it was effort misspent, when I had faith in the generic driver.

by unknownfile at 8:39 AM EDT on August 13, 2005

And now, the moment that none of you have been waiting for.

Mario Party - UF's times

Crossposting is punishable by death. by hcs at 1:00 PM EDT on August 13, 2005

This is your first warning.

by unknownfile at 2:04 PM EDT on August 13, 2005

GACK

by PdZ at 3:08 PM EDT on August 13, 2005

Why do u hace deleted all the "same" unused files?
And why the hell do u wrote tagger=PdZ & UNKNOWNFILE?I tagged the whole Rip, NOT YOU.U only wrote a batchfile with twice looping timings.This will be fixed to tagger=PdZ, OK? =/

by PdZ at 3:18 PM EDT on August 13, 2005

tagged by PdZ - Mario Party
I now, why I dont like u UKNOWNFILE.Very nice, that u fixed the timing but u DONT tagged the set.Check the info file.

by Mouser X at 3:56 PM EDT on August 13, 2005

Actually, what he's saying is that he helped tag the Mario Party set, as timing usually falls under that piece of information. Also, timing can be quite difficult (as I'm sure you're aware), even if it's already been done. If all he did was "PdZ's track times X 2" then that probably doesn't deserve a mention in the USF file, though a mention in the info file would be expected. However, if that's what he did (which I HIGHLY doubt) then I'd have to say those times are still... questionable. Sure, they loop twice, or close to it, but just doubling the track times won't provide the accuracy that is expected of the songs. You would actually need to listen to the file itself, and still manually set the time to be correct. Sure, you could base the times on "PdZ's track times X 2," but they would be slightly different.

Also, ALL precedents (that I'm aware of), validate UNKOWNFILE's inclusion in the tagger field because he helped tag the set. Look at the PSFs out there. There's one set that has like, 4 or 5 (perhaps more) taggers on it. Some of those taggers only tagged 1 file. Yes, only 1, but they were put in the tagging field (well, comments, since there is no "tagger" for PSFs) because they helped complete the set. Also, i've timed quite a few sets myself, but have been unable to tag them. My name is still given as one of the taggers, because I helped tag the set, as track times are considered part of the tags.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is, what you getting so upset about? It's not like he's stealing anything from you. It's a small thing. If it really bugs you, you could always change the "tagger" field to "PdZ, times by UNKNOWNFILE."

Also, he deleted all of the "same" unused files because, if they're all the same, what's the point in haveing duplicates? In almost all instances (I'm pretty sure there's a few, small inconsistancies), duplicates have been removed before the set was "officially" released. If the files he removed weren't duplicates, please explain how they were different. Otherwise, please explain why they should be kept.

In all honesty, it's a good thing you're not part of the PSF_Rippers group. Based on the (assumed, based on precidence,) sentiment of the people in that group, I'd say you probably would have been torn down by now. You're getting upset over VERY SMALL things that, really, are misplaced and misunderstood. On top of that, you're not following the conventional means of tagging files (namely timing, yes, but cutting off UNKNOWNFILE also fits in there. I'm sure I could find other things if I really wanted to be nit-picky, but it's not worth doing so). What I'm trying to say is, it is VERY VERY lenient about what happens over here. If you like the freedom that provides you (and I assure you, it does, in a way), then I would recommend that you show the same courtesy you recieve to others as well. BE NICE! Don't assume the worst case scenario EVERYTIME something happens. Give people the benefit of doubt. Just because someone says something in a certain way doesn't mean they intend it as a personal attack against you. As I said, based on precedence, in EVERY case (expcept those where the taggers/timers refused inclusion), UNKNOWNFILE was waranted in including himself in the "tagger" field, unless he did indeed simply go "PdZ's track times X 2." Even then, his inclusion is debatable, but I would almost certainly argue against including him in that instance.

Last, in NO WAY do I mean any offence to anyone with what I have written. If you don't like what you read, don't start a hate thread about it, and don't post about what a jerk I am. Instead, do something constructive, and contact me so that we can talk it over. That way, I'll know what it is I did wrong, so that I can correct the situation. To contact me, you can use AIM (mouser0x) or Yahoo IM (mouser_x) or ICQ (prefered method, # available upon request). You can even email me, but I won't include that information here, unless it is specifically requested.

Thanks in advance for reading this, and hopefully, it will help people gain a better understanding/respect for each other. Mouser X over and out.

by hcs at 4:22 PM EDT on August 13, 2005

Thank you PdZ for your work in tagging the set.

Thank you UNKNOWNFILE for some minor corrections and redoing the timing.

Thank you Mouser X for writing a treatise on the subject.

Rant alert!!!!!!!!1 by unknownfile at 6:19 PM EDT on August 13, 2005

PdZ sez:
I now, why I dont like u UKNOWNFILE.Very nice, that u fixed the timing but u DONT tagged the set.Check the info file.

Yeah! Yeah. OK. Feh. Hold on a second. *cough spit vomit*

The following rant has been brought to you by fevers - pissing mankind off since the creation of the universe; by Kodak; and by Nestea Ice Tea - keeping the xSF scene alive between rips.

OK, so WHAT. The comments field was already housing "Uncheck Use Recompiler" or whatever.

And are you saying that I took credit for the tags? YES! That's what I'm thinking! But NOO I DIDN'T.

Here's what the original tagger tag read:
PdZ

It should read:
PdZ, Gashlin's Groupie, marioman

YES! I CAN'T BELIEVE ITS NOT YOGURT! PDZ IS GETTING MAD AT ME! I ONLY DID THE TIMES! FEH! *spit* The question here is, however: "Why is PdZ mad at me for taking credit for his set when he, in fact, didn't do all of the tags himself?! Now THAT, friends, is the question!

This rant has been posted to relieve anger that cannot be let out otherwise. Please excuse me for this idiot-like behaviour.

by Will at 3:31 AM EDT on August 14, 2005

You know, a bit of sleep oughtta clear that fever right up.

by PdZ at 4:18 AM EDT on August 14, 2005

Unknownfile...

It was not fair and u know that.I said it a long time before.It is very hard to tag sets.Its of course harder to Rip a Set but the ONLY THING that I want is, my name in the tagger field.Is that a problem?NO!And now if u want to tagg a set, then tagg it but dont "steal" the tagger tag.OK?

"It should read:
PdZ, Gashlin's Groupie, marioman"

NO they dont tagg the set, but they help.I think u are right in one case.Marioman was a big help and could be mentioned in the info file or comments.If he want that, i could fix that and write this in the file.

And once more: I have also a lot of work to set the tagging and YOU are every time the only one who peeving me.Why couldn't you be so respectfull and nice like marioman and the others?

by unknownfile at 5:28 AM EDT on August 14, 2005

Moving along, nothing to see here.

by Mouser X at 10:33 AM EDT on August 14, 2005

Personaly, I agree with UNKNOWNFILE. The "tagger" tag should read, at the least, "PdZ, marioman." They did help, they deserve credit. Also, credit in the info file is, in my opinion, not enough. I realize you tagged the set. However, you didn't do it by yourself. There are those who did help, and deserve a mention in the tagger field. As I said, precedent agrees with this statement.

You'll notice that I left UNKOWNFILE out of the "tagger" thing, because he already did so himself. If he leaves himself out (see his 10:19 Aug 13 post), then that says to me "Well, okay, go ahead and remove my name, it's not a big deal (or "Okay, sure, take the credit, you did, after all, provide the times which I based my times on")."

Basically, what I'm saying is that you're taking full credit, when there are others that also deserve credit, even if their name is only included in the file which they helped tag. If you feel that putting their name in the tagger field provides to much credit to them, clarify it in the info file. That way, both parties can be satisfied.

Yes, I say this a lot. I don't mean harm to anyone in my statements. The reason I say that a lot is because I realize that my statements can be taken in the wrong way. However, I, currently, can't think of a better way of saying it. You say UNKNOWNFILE is the one that annoys you the most (or something like that). Well, try looking at things from his point of view. He has a fever/cold/illness, ect. Also, he, being a (former, or such) member of PSF_Rippers (which, really, this is a part of, like it or not), knows what is expected of ripped/released sets. Also, he has ripped, and timed/tagged some sets himself (of various formats). He knows how hard it is to time/tag/rip sets. He sees your work, and I'm sure he appreciates it. However, he knows what is expected of those tags, and that is full times (not just 1 loop, but 2). Now, you may not agree with him on that point. Nonetheless, looking at it from UNKNOWNFILE's viewpoint, which is the purpose of this writing, you have to admit that the tracks should have been looped twice. Also, though I realize that English is not your native language (as I recall), UNKNOWNFILE has to interpret what it is you've written. Looking at it from where he is sitting, this could be quite annoying for him. I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOUR TYPING SUCKS, as I realize you are learning. I can accept that, and have not commented on it before for that reason. It is forgiveable. Nonetheless, this cuold, perhaps, influence, (though not necessarily on a concious level) UNKNOWNFILE's reaction to you. Again, I AM NOT writing in behalf of UNKNOWNFILE, I am simply writing things that MIGHT be going on in his head. Since I AM NOT HIM, everything I've written could be COMPLETELY WRONG. All I'm trying to say is, put on UNKNOWNFILE's shoes. Look at where he's coming from. Think about what points he brings up, and why he might bring them up, and what he might mean by doing so. If you seek for understanding of those who annoy you, eventually you realize something. Either, A), you can see what's going on better, so it now makes sense, or B) [and surprisingly less likely] you stick to your original idea that they're an idiot.

Anyway, assume that UNKNOWNFILE is trying to help. He may not be good at it, but it's the thought that counts. Does that help? Mouser X over and out.

m00 by unknownfile at 11:37 AM EDT on August 14, 2005

Yea, I guess that helps.

This cold is still here, and I hope it gets better by Friday, because that is when I need to go to Scotland, and if it isn't better by than, heads will roll. GARMF!!!!!!!1

Anyways, I have done no work on KIG whatsoever, so I should start timing it. Have a nice day. Oh yes, and fish.

blimey! by Prokopis at 5:28 AM EDT on August 15, 2005

Why, yesh, let's all spar about whose name should be eternally tied with the immortal glory in which mankind should regard the tagging and timing of the Mario Party USF rip...

Perspective setting in yet? Cause if not, I could always quote some dude who said "FFS kids". Wait, I don't remember who that is!! Proper credit cannot be assigned!!! OyG!

m00 again by unknownfile at 9:58 AM EDT on August 15, 2005

YES I STILL HAVE THIS COLD. IT SUX.

Anyways, the tagger tag should be something like this

tagger=PdZ, marioman, Gashlin's Groupie, UNKNOWNFILE

That should make everyone who helped on the set happy.

??? by marioman at 12:39 PM EDT on August 15, 2005

What? Give me credit for tagging? Why????

All I did was give a little help to a guy who asked for it. Why then should I be awarded the status of tagger when I was just being nice?

When a person takes the time to sit down and tag a 73 track set, that is a good reason to allow the person to put his name in the tagger box. But, when a person gives a little advice to the tagger, I don't think that the helper should expect to be listed as a tagger. If everybody who is involved in tagging were listed in the credits of a USF set, it could go on forever.

ex: the tagger, the website that the tagger got some of his info, the person who helped the tagger, the person who bought the game for the person who helped the tagger, the person who the computer that the tagger is using belongs to, the tagger's ISP, etc.

Where does it stop?

I think that the person who did the most work should get all of the credit. I helped Pdz as an act of generosity, and I did not expect or want credit. If you guys want to waste your time argiung about who gets their name in the little box, fine. But, I think that the time that you spend arguing could be better spent doing something productive. (ripping music, making plugins, etc.)

by PdZ at 4:28 AM EDT on August 16, 2005

Thank u very much marioman.
I think he hits the main point.But I have no problem with "tagger=PdZ & marioman", because he helped me really out.And u UKNOWNFILE, pls dont argue anymore.Its now OK, and this discuss is finished.U dont get credit, finish.

by hcs at 8:34 AM EDT on August 16, 2005

Since it's my set the final tagging will be up to me.
It'll use PdZ's track names and information and UNKNOWNFILE's times. Thus the tagger field will read "PdZ, UNKNOWNFILE".

I have spoken.

m00 by unknownfile at 9:37 AM EDT on August 16, 2005

Omgyays or something like that

by PdZ at 6:29 PM EDT on August 16, 2005

Ok, then i will not tagg a set anymore.

by hcs at 7:30 PM EDT on August 16, 2005

For the record, this is why I don't like people.

by Mouser X at 8:11 PM EDT on August 16, 2005

PdZ. If you read this, then please let me say this. I'm sorry to see you go. Beleive me, I know how hard it is to tag a set from scratch (no OST to base it off of. I've done that with MML and MML2, though I had ripped MP3s to work from, but they were horribly out of order). Again, your work is greatly appreciated.

The last thing I have to say is, please note what "Prokopis" said. It is only a USF set. It's not like it's the end of the world. Please reconsider your decision.

Also, in referance to what I wrote about the standard being for track times. Now do you see why a standard was decided upon? And why people got banned for the arguments that took place on that subject? I have more to say on that subject, but I realize that doing so won't help anyone here, unless they request my additional comments.

Nonetheless, PdZ, thanks again for your help. Hopefully, you'll change your mind (and perhaps view things from other's perspectives as well). Mouser X over and out.

by marioman at 4:55 AM EDT on August 17, 2005

Come on PDZ, as Mouser X said, it is not the end of the world. I am sorry that the fact that UNKNOWNFILE's name has to come after yours in the box annoys you, but this is no reason to get this upset. I recommend that you just shake it off, take it in stride, and find another set that you can tag. (One where you won't have to share credit, of course.)

Note for PDZ by marioman at 5:21 AM EDT on August 17, 2005

Oh, I forgot to tell PDZ.....if someone rips Mario Party 3, I will try to help you tag it. OK? (Just be sure to loop twice.)

by PdZ at 7:25 AM EDT on August 17, 2005

Ok, I understand that, but I dont want the help of UNKNOWNFILE anymore.If there is a problem with a set which i tagged, then I will fix it.Not Unknownfile.So, the taggerfield would be mine.Its not the problem for the world, but I want my name in the taggerfield.For that I do a lot.And if someone dont respect or accept that, I will finish.Of Course also if all hating me for that.Here are not much tagger avaiable which sitting at home and tagging hours even weeks ONLY for the purpose that the set will be ready as soon as possible.

And I HAVE NO PROBLEM with people credited in the taggerfield with me which are 1. nice and friendly and 2. helps more than simply stupid double timing.

I will continue if HCS will accept that.And I DONT WANT THE HELP OF UNKNOWNFILE.He irritated me at the moment where he was maligning the tagging of Rayman 2.Do u know how many hard, very very hard weeks I was working on this Rip?
So If all are satisfied with that, I will continue tagging on future rips.

AND ONCE MORE, I have no problem with persons who helped me out (like marioman, who helped me really out) that the name is set in the tagger field.

bye PdZ

by unknownfile at 11:57 AM EDT on August 17, 2005

You're pissing (maybe not just) me off, PdZ. If you continue to hog all the credit to yourself, I suggest you go find something else to do. It's annoying, and unacceptable. I thought that noone in the xSF scene would bother me after I left #psf and psf_rippers, but noooo. Here I am with another bastard who is getting upset at me for trying to help. Thank you very much for being an asshole, PdZ, and I hope you move on to something else that doesn't involve getting angry at people for trying to help.

by hcs at 2:55 PM EDT on August 17, 2005

You're missing the point, PdZ.

UNKNOWNFILE isn't helping you. He's helping me. You submit your tags to me, UNKNOWNFILE submits an alternate set of timings, and it is up to me to use whatever I want (or discard both of them altogether and use my own) and credit either of you however I please. You have no right to tell me what I should do with what other people send me.
Despite what you may think, UNKNOWNFILE did not simply double your times. He manually went through all the tracks himself and timed them to two loops, much as you must have done for one loop each. Would you deny him the credit for his work?
Yes, his personality is irritating, and he tends to be a bit nitpicky, but your attitude isn't much better right now. In any case we should be able to put these things behind us to work together on the music we all enjoy.

by Mouser X at 8:41 PM EDT on August 17, 2005

The below post is probably induced by lack of sleep. Read it (and accept it) at your own risk.

I've been trying to say the same things as the above 2 posts, but in the nicest way possible. In other words, I hate coming right out and saying it, as I can tell PdZ doesn't take well to crticism. As such, I've been trying to help him view things from a wider perspective (for that matter, everyone here, that needs it).

Something to keep in mind about UNKNOWNFILE. He's less than 15. Now, who here remembers what it was like to be a teenager? Anyone? Well, generally, all teenagers are quite self-centered, and think they know everything, all the time (this is a general statement, mind you). Personaly, I don't find this to apply to UNKNOWNFILE. Nonetheless, as a teenager, give the guy some credit. What has he done for the emulated audio scene? Do you want me to list it out (not that I haven't already, but I can get into the nitty gritty specifics, if you really want me to)? Sure, most of the "higher ups" (those who banned him at PSF_Rippers, perhaps?) would consider his work mostly inconsequential overall, but his presence has made a differance, for the better.

The same can be said for you, PdZ. You helped tag (and yes, you helped time, but HCS prefered UNKNOWNFILE's times) the Mario Party set, among others. That's great work, and really very appreciated. I mean that. You can never find enough taggers anywhere, for some reason (of course, rippers are even scarcer, but hey, you get what you can). However, as I said before, just as UNKNOWNFILE can't destroy the universe (at least not the one we live in), you can't stop someone from timing/tagging a set, if they want to. UNKNOWNFILE wanted to do it. Sure, people may call "dibs" and such, but what it really comes down to is the overall quality of the complete works. If someone called "dibs" on tagging DKC (or whatever), and the stuff they submited looks like it was put together by a rotting fungus, chances are good that won't be accepted (unless it really was put together by a rotting fungus. Then I'd keep it for the novelty purposes. Me: "Dude! Check this out! These tags and times were put on here by a rotting fungus! Seriously, what other rotting fungus have you ever encountered that could actually do that?!" Everyone else: "But it sucks. The titles aren't even coherant, and the times last for a complete random amount of time, regardless of actual track length." Me: "But, hey, it was put on by a rotting fungus. Doesn't that give it some credit?" Everyone Else: "No. They suck. Do it over." Me: "Ah, come on...").

All that aside, I'm not saying what you did was bad, as it obviously wasn't, otherwise HCS wouldn't be using it. I'm just saying that UNKNOWNFILE provided information that HCS was looking for that yours lacked. Just because you lack something doesn't make it bad. An example is Back to the Future. If you look at that set of movies with a scientific mind, and utilize all of the current theories, you would realize that it lacked actual backing of it's time traveling plotline (arguably). However, did that make it a bad movie? No way! I love that movie, and recently went to Universal Studios just to see the DeLorean they have on display there.

Anyway, what gets me the most is how people can get so upset over the tags of an emulated audio set. Come on, it's not like it's going to land you a 1 trillion dollor job or anything (though perhaps, with luck, it could land you a 1 million dollor job, maybe?). Basically, take it as it is, and accept the fact that he was trying to help. Don't take it as a personal attack, as that's never ever what it ment to be. If you always err on the side of lenieancy, then more often than not, you'll turn out right (and this from someone who HIGHLY suspects that his roomate stole 2 of his best GC games... Yah, today sucked).

Okay, I should be gone now. Perhaps if I had gotten sleep within the last 32-34 hours, I'd be more coherant myself, and would ramble less... I should experiment on that hypothosis, and go to bed... Mouser X over and out.

edited 12:49 AM EDT August 18, 2005

edited 12:51 AM EDT August 18, 2005

by PdZ at 1:54 PM EDT on August 18, 2005

I dont like to repeat myself.I dont care if this little kid is in a teenager pubertaryphase.Its MORE MUCH MUCH MORE work to tagg a set as to fix it in minutes.So i Deserve the credit and he could be listed in the comments/infofile.And i also dont care what he has done for the emulated audioscene.

Maybe iam also selfconcentrated BUT i only want the tagging field.Whats the problem with that?If Uknownchild taggs a set and I fix the timings, i also dont want credit in the taggerfield.Hopefully u understood that finally, and if hcs or u mouser x dont accept that...I do nothing.If its no problem for all of u find tagger which are sitting at home and working hard like hcs is working hard on rips, then it will be ok.But dont forget how fast i tagged all the sets i have tagged until now.

Iam 19 and u are maybe right with the "teenager"thing, but if he dont control his self, I also will not be nice.I dont get money for that what Iam doing and I dont only want the credit.

The MOST MOST important thing is, that I dont like people speaking or writing shit before they are thinking.If he had done things in a better/nicer way, I wouldnt have problems with his name in the taggerfield as well.

And of course i understand why ur are angry about my "self thinking" behaviour.BUT and there is a "but" in this, I only get this taggerfield with my name in it.Nothing else.Do I?I also help the emulated audioscene.HCS does great work, You do great work and Uknownfile as well.
I Hope u understand that or this discuss is finished...

bye

by Mouser X at 3:05 PM EDT on August 18, 2005

Apparently, the discussion is finished, because it is PdZ who doesn't seem to understand. I could go into it further, but I'd basically be repeating myself. Apparently, compromises can't be made with PdZ, understanding can't be reached, viewpoints can't be opened, and "err on the side of leniency" can't be accepted. I've said my fill. Mouser X over and out (and still tired from only 3 hours sleep this morinig).

by PdZ at 10:59 PM EDT on August 18, 2005

Ok.Then this will be the end of the workship.

Of Course iam hoping, that hcs and the others continue ripiing and tagging and there will be good rips in the future.

Cya.

And pls dont be angry about me.I will continue beeing active in the forum and for some help.But nomore for tagging.

<- roxx



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